Well, at the beginning of the Kimberley Process negotiations - I should say we met with them right through the Kimberley Process negotiations from the beginning through to today. The Kimberley Process came on stream in 2003, but the meetings still continue. There are two annual meetings of the Kimberley Process to make sure that its conditions are being met and to deal with problems. We meet with World Diamond Council - the head of the World Diamond Council and with members of the World Diamond Council regularly. In the Kimberley Process there are working groups. There's a working group on monitoring, there's one on statistics, there's one on membership, there are a variety of technical groups and I'm a member of three of those. So again we meet regularly with representatives of the industry in those meetings.