I said from the AFRC time I was at Fourah Bay Road. We met him with his broken - with his car that had broken down. He asked us the civilians to push his car. We pushed his car right up to Cline Town, then the car got started. While we were pushing the car, one of us - one of us told us that, "This is the Rambo who has the name". He said, "Ts is one of the rebel leaders". That was the time I knew him.