Mr Koumjian, I don't wish to interrupt, but really I am looking at the testimony. I can't make sense of this. Just listen to this. I am reading from page 119 regarding the death of Jungle:
"Ben gave instruction for Calaba to open the calibre behind Jungle. 'That is the Jungle going'. That Daniel Tamba, I call him Jungle. He said, 'Thanks, that is the Jungle going'. I told him to open the calibre and then they opened the calibre and he entered the back of the boy's head and it opened and his [indiscernible] and it dropped. That is how he died."