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You are asked in the second interview about mining and you are asked about people that were brought in and forced to mine, and I will read the questions and answers about forced mining. I am afraid they are quite lengthy in the second interview. You were asked in the second interview about the year 2000, Mr Mansaray:

"Q. Let us talk about the year 2000. Well, actually you

said there was mining going on and that Colonel Amara

Peleto was in charge of mining in Koindu?

A. Yes."

You corrected Koindu to Koidu in a later correction interview that we haven't even touched on yet. The next question is:

"Q. The mining was carried out for the RUF by Peleto. He

handed over proceeds to Issa. You said Issa Sesay was

staying in a place called Lebanon?

A. Yes, yes."

Then you deal with diamonds being handed over from Peleto to Sesay and the next question is:

"Q. How about those that were brought in and forced to

mine? Do you know anything about the people that were

brought to the mines and forced to mine diamonds for the

RUF?

A. Oh yes, in fact the whole people that were staying with

us in Kono, they were forced to mine for the RUF, the

majority I can say, and they are producing a lot of

diamonds to Peleto and Peleto used to hand over the

diamonds to Issa Sesay."

Then you were asked, "So how was the first mining going on? Were there armed men standing around maintaining guard over these people that had been brought to mine the diamonds?" You answer, "Yes, like Number 11, which was the main mining base, that was well fortified by armed men." May I make it clear at this point, in order to speed up I am going to miss out irrelevant material and just concentrate on killings:

"Q. If anyone refused to take part in the forced mining

what happened to them?

A. He would be executed.

Q. Do you know of any individual who was executed for

failing to, or refusing to mine for the RUF?

A. Well, really Peleto, before I ever came to stay in

Koidu Town, I heard about this information. By then I was

still in Makeni. He used to kill people.

Q. Which year was this?

A. That was the year 2000.

Q. 2000?

A. Yes, he used to do it. He used to harass people. He

used to torture them.

Q. People who refused to mine?

A. For the RUF."

And then:

"Q. How about those who stole diamonds, if you sneak

with a piece of diamond and then you are caught?

A. If you are caught, no mercy, you will die.

Q. You will die, okay, and do you know of any specific

person who lost his life in this way?

A. Well, I know some people, but I cannot remember their

particular names.

Q. Their names?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you mention the instances, the places where these

executions took place?

A. Like Kasabo Terrace."

You have corrected that, in a later interview, to Kaisambo Terrace and you identified where that is. Then you say:

"A. Amara Peleto used to play some havoc to people which

were not good.

Q. Like what?

A. Like killing them, torturing them and doing any other

punishments to them.

Q. Because they failed to mine?

A. To mine for the RUF and then some planned to escape

with diamonds, so a lot of these reports came in."

Then you deal with reports.

"A. Also to those who were customers to buy diamonds, we

called them jewellers, Amara Peleto used to threaten them

and also Issa Sesay was having one notorious man who he

used to send to these jeweller men to go and harass them to

take their money, to take their diamonds from, by the name

of one Sahr Quee."

Then I think it is right we then move off that whole area. Now, that is the second interview. You were not saying in that second interview, Mr Mansaray, that you personally saw people executed, were you?

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