Okay. It's not a matter of I understand what he means, right. I was actually saying what this guy was saying. It's like quoting exactly. Well, I can say I can't quote exactly what they were saying at that time because of the memory, it's a long time, you know, but the sense, I can remember the sense that was coming out of their statements, right. And he said that one. I can remember he was saying that, "We are going to suffer the civilians".