Okay. That's fine. Now, the next reference, counsel, is 17329. Yesterday you were referring to this incident with this individual called Hosana and you talked about the letter you wrote, that he requested that you write, and then you were referring to a conversation and something he said to you in your presence and this is at lines 14 through 17. And you said as part of what he said was this, you said:
"That was the statement he was saying. He was saying that categorically, 'The civilians will suffer. We will suffer the civilians and then they will finally call us to the table'. That was what he categorically said I can remember."
What did you mean by that? What did you understand that to mean?