Oh, yes. Ellen knew. Tom Woweiyu knew. When you talk - when you use the - I am sorry if the Court got confused. When you say consulted, they were informed. Discussions occurred. I interpreted consultations in a little different way, but they were informed and aware because they were part of the organisation and did not necessarily need consultations because they were a part of the whole planning process for movement. So I am sorry if I misunderstood what you said.