Well, we will have to look at the number of meetings, because at each of those meetings there were side bars between he and myself. So the ECOWAS meetings we would talk, the Mano River Union meetings we would talk. So depending upon the number of meetings held within that period we would be - don't forget he came to Liberia and we talked. So I would say side bar talks would be around three to four times that we actually sat face to face. That's in Monrovia, we sat in Abuja, we sat together again in Conakry. So I would say that's three, it could be as many as four times face to face discussions.