Yes, my Lord.

It is not to my knowledge.

Yes, because of the abduction that we did. That was the reason why they asked us to go - they invited us to go - and so that we will pass our intentions over to them and then they will do what we want.

Well, that only happened when we had done the abductions. That was the reason why it happened.

Yes.

It is okay.

No, my Lord, I did not get anything from the interpreter.

Yes, my Lord. If we had not held those people hostage, they would not have taken us seriously. They would not have known anything about us. They will all just say, "The Lome Accord said we were all RUF. We were all combatants", but we also said, "No, no, no ...

Well, if we had not arrested the UNOMSIL we would have continued our life like that. They would have disarmed us. It was because we arrested the UNOMSIL and we demanded for Johnny Paul Koroma. That was how he came in to be able to negotiate this thing, because they ...

I disagree.

I disagree. Johnny Paul was not reinstated. We were reinstated. Johnny Paul was retired. We were reinstated. It was not Charles Taylor who facilitated that. It was our action. It was our action as a result of which Charles Taylor mediated that we should go to Liberia and then we ...

My Lord, I disagree.

Yes, it happened.

Like I said, he told us that there was no other office that was vacant at that moment. He said it was only the CCP office that was vacant and it was that office that he had seen as a place where he can occupy, because he said he has ...

Yes, to coordinate the peace activities in the country with the various factions that were fighting.

The only thing I knew was that it was when the issue of the peace process came up that they formed this office to coordinate the peace process. I don't know whether it had any direct business with the government or influence with the government.

Chairman for the Consolidation of Peace. So we just used to call him chairman, CCP chairman. That was how people used to call him in short, CCP chairman.

It's CCP, chairman Consolidation For Peace. Chairman for the Consolidation of Peace, CCP.

Well, when we went to Monrovia he said that that was the only space that he saw where he was - where he would occupy so that he can be able to assist in bringing peace. He said it was the CCP office that was vacant.

Well, he did not become a member in the new government, but he had an appointment that was given to him and he was the CCP chairman.

Well, what I mean is that when we left Freetown, up to the time we escorted Johnny Paul to Gandorhun when he left, I know about that time. But after which when he left us there and went to Kailahun I don't have any idea about his movement within ...

Well, yes, because when we left Kono and he left and it was only when we were at West Side now that we said that for a long time now the man has not been talking to us, so we decided to kidnap those hostages.

Well, I disagree because I was only limited to the time when we left Freetown. That was the intervention time. And he left us in Kono and then he went to Kailahun. So since then I did not know anything about his movements when he was in Kailahun. I can ...

Yes, I agree.

Yes, my Lord.

Yes, my Lord.

Well, I can't recall the particular month or the date, but I do recall that it was some weeks after we had left Liberia and returned to Sierra Leone that Johnny Paul Koroma and Foday Sankoh came.

I want to state this clear, that our determination when we held that man was that they should release our leader. So we did not have any difference with them at that moment, we were together as one, but because we were not made mention of in the Lome Peace ...

Yes, my Lord, they were there.

Yes. Yes, my Lord, they were with us.

Yes, my Lord.

Go back to the question, please.

Yes, my Lord.

Well this question that you are asking me, what I know we arrested people, but Johnny Paul did not tell us that, "Charles Taylor, we want peace". We did not tell him, "We need peace", or, "We need peace". Johnny Paul told us that, "You should now move with your ...

Yes, we also wanted peace. We needed peace because we had now realised that if Johnny Paul was not included in the Lome Peace Accord then we will be out, so we were also supposed to be part of the Lome Accord because we were now a force to reckon ...

Well, I agree that we were desperate to see Johnny Paul. Yes, we were desperate. Yes. We did say that we wanted to see him, because they did not make mention of him and us in the Lome Peace Accord and for a long time he has not been talking ...

Yes, my Lord.

Yes, according to Johnny Paul, according to what he told us on the radio set.

Yes, according to the paper. He had direct influence and he was the only person they knew would be able to do that.

No, all what we had decided on was that we had said that if we held this - if we arrested these UNOMSIL people who came and we held them hostage, they will recognise us. Whosoever, the government and the international community, they will recognise us. And then we said if ...

Well, we were not at the scene. Like I said, he was no longer communicating, so as Bazzy said we have not been getting communication from this man for a long time and if this man has - if for a long time now we have not been communicating with him ...

Yes.

He did not know anything about the camp. The only thing was that he was held hostage. And when we discovered that he was a journalist, when he told us, he said he wanted us to take him to Bazzy so that he will be released so that he will ...

Well according to the paper, yes. Just as I am sitting here somebody can ask me about the Special Court and I can say anything and that will be my own comment, but not what maybe somebody told me to say. This must have been his own comments that he ...

Yes, we told him to go and tell the international community. I have said this earlier in my testimony. We said he should go and inform the international community that we want our leader to be released and he was held hostage in Kailahun and we want the international community ...

Yes, my Lord, because he was limited. He would only move from Tito's place where he was staying and then come to Bazzy, who was the overall commander. You will always see soldiers passing, roaming about all over the place, but he did not know actually who and who ...

What I am saying, no, I said the man was limited. We arrested them and it was only at the headquarters where Bazzy and others were that he was allowed to go. When we needed him we will go and collect him from Tito's place and then he will ...

Well this is something that I have seen established by Christo Johnson here and he is a journalist, and even when he was in the camp he had limited areas to go to. We limited his movement. He did not go to all the areas that we were and with ...

Yes and I want to give a brief explanation with the Court's permission in this particular area.

I disagree. I totally disagree.