Okay, thank you.

Well, what I meant by saying that we will live with that situation was that the situation on the ground was what I was referring to because by then, even if we decided to go to Freetown or to Kenema, those same people were in charge of the government and ...

Thank you, Madam. A condition was that we had pressure on us because whilst we were working the combatants, the RUF and the AFRC, would go with their guns to the site. For instance, if they said we were doing the government job on a particular day those of them ...

Yes, and that was something I denied. I said it was the SLA and the RUF who threatened me, me and my people, to go and work for them, to do government work for them, but the CDF Kamajors I denied. I denied since the time I had not testified.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

It was because the rebels came and attacked us, the civilians, in Tongo. That was the reason why all of us, the civilians, we pulled out of Tongo and we went. We were in Tongo, but it was as a result of that attack that we all left, and I ...

Since the time the AFRC and the RUF entered Tongo; that was immediately after the Ahmad Tejan Kabbah's government had been overthrown. That was the time they went and captured Tongo. They flushed the CDF out of there and that was the time they started their mining and it ...

Not at all. No civilians worked under the CDF. I did say it was only the AFRC and the RUF who did that government work. Normally we did two days' work for them and they would allow us work for ourselves for two days. That was how it happened, but ...

I said I did not see anyone do that kind of thing in my presence.

Not at all. I have never given such a statement to say that I saw them amputating people. Not at all.

Not at all. They entered my room, they took my property outside, my foam - my wives were there, my mattress, they took that one outside, my wives were there, but I did not see. I heard it.

Yes.

During the three days, I mean the day they entered no burning took place. I did not see burning taking place, it was looting that went on. But whilst they were inside already burning took place but it was not within the three days. That was why I said yes ...

Yes.

Yes. I said the day they entered they did not do burning. The day they entered I did not see killing take place. Even in my statement that was what I said, but burning took place. That was why I said that at any time they wanted to do that ...

It was at the time they had entered in.

No, I did not say that. I said they burnt houses, but it was not continuous. On that particular day they asked me whether, when they came in I saw people burning houses, I said yes, but it was not continuously three days. When they came, if they wanted to ...

Well, it was minimised. It lessened a little. It was not that --

Yes.

Yes, sir.

Clearly. I saw that with my own eyes. Even though whenever they wanted to burn a house they would say this house belongs to a Kamajor, so maybe they wanted to just give a reason to burn that house. That was what they would always say before they would burn ...

Yes.

Yes. From that 1994 they burnt many houses.

Yes. Even though there were some others, but he was the one that was close to me. He lived in the same area as I did. I saw some others passing around, but Junior was living around my area.

No, he was AFRC, because I used to see him wear civilian clothes, at times combat clothes. Because they were together, the RUF from the bush and the military who were with us in the town, so the only way we could tell the difference was if you had been ...

Well, the one I recognised who used to go to my house was called Junior.

Yes.

Well, I wouldn't say they did not do a thing like that because even when the two people - when the two factions met they would always kill and if they met I wouldn't see corpses and say it was the CDF or it was the AFRC who had ...

Exactly. You know, when you ask me the question I feel really bad, but there is no way I can do, I have to answer the question.

That was what I said, but I even think that it is more than that because the town was really populated. The town is more than two or three miles long. You wouldn't walk even up to two yards without seeing a corpse. But I don't know the ...

Sorry, you know, I got the question clearly but you know what happened on that day, if you ask me if I was happy I wouldn't feel good because I know what happened, I know the number of people that died on that day. If I recall it, you ...

Exactly. They were hacked with machetes. I did not see them fire a gun. I saw machetes.

Yes, the women, it was not - the four women that I am sure of, it is not because they were Loko or Limba. They were killed because they were wives of soldiers. The 20 soldiers whom I saw, it was because they were SLA soldiers and, you know, there had ...

Well, I wouldn't deny that because the reason is, at that Cyborg Pit the amount of people who have been put in there when those were shot and put into that pit, at that time the CDF was not there; it was the AFRC and the RUF. All throughout ...

Exactly. The corpses that I saw I cannot recall the number because there were too many people that died.

Yes, because you know when I - talking of these things, we did not record them, so we just talk about the years. Because whatever I did not get very clearly - you know, not that I don't tell lies but I don't tell many lies.

Yes. The CDF dislodged the AFRC and RUF.

We were working for ourselves, but there was a condition attached to it. But at that time, you know, we had to live with the situation.

Yes.

It was not on the day that they captured Tongo. It took up to three days before he invited a meeting for us the civilians.

He minimised it because he - you know, when a boss says something, when he's around his men will not do it, but when he's not around they will do it undercover. That was what went on.

He did it, but it took some time, because the looting continued for three days, day and night, until he convened a meeting.

Yes. When they entered we received them well. For our own safety, we the civilians, we told them safe, safe, safe for them to be happy. But after some time I witnessed looting.

Not at all. There was no fighting in town. I heard gunshots, gun sounds between - around the Mano Junction area, but when they got to the town I did not see anybody fighting because when the - when people are firing against each other then you will say I have witnessed ...

Yes. It took some months and I wouldn't even know if it was five or six months, but it took some long period.

Yes.

Yes.