I want to ease myself.

Yes.

Most of them didn't take his advice.

MR O'SHEA:

Q. Now, my last question to you was that you were present

on at least one occasion when Sylvester Kaieh gave an

instruction to a rebel.

A. Yes.

Q. How would the rebels react in front of Sylvester

Kaieh ...

Yes.

There were things in the bush like - just things that humans do have. Things that we use. I have talked about a vehicle. They used to take people's vehicles. People's rice, they used to take them as well. There were other things, clothing and other things. If you ...

At the time they came they went into the bushes taking vehicles, vehicles which were abandoned there. They took vehicles and they told us to push those vehicles up to Koidu. They took those vehicles and the civilians' properties which they abandoned in the bushes, they took them as well ...

Yes, good afternoon.

If I said that - at the time that we came - I have explained this thing that before we settled there he was a go-between for civilians and the rebels, but when things changed and at that time that things changed the G5's control was not holding any more.

No.

Which one?

No, it did not happen like that. They had their own job. The G5 had their own job. Their own job was if there was a dispute between you and the rebels, they looked after that. We were civilians. These people had come to fight for us. If they brought ...

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

My wife? When I give my wife the food and she prepares it and takes that food along, I have given that to her.

Yes.

Yes.

That is it. If you shout at somebody who has taken food for another person, and you shout at that person and you push that person, telling him not to bring that food, that was it.

Well, when we took food for them, initially when we just brought them, they said we should not take food for them. The food that we took for them, they took all of that from us and they themselves ate the food.

Yes, they were shouting at us, asking us why we were bringing food for them.

When we took food for them and they said we should not take food for them they chased us out. They did not beat us up but they were threatening us that we should not take food for them.

Oh, the punishment. When we went there, when they said we should not take food for them they were punishing us. They threatened us. They were threatening us, just like you would threaten someone.

When they brought them initially, they said nobody should give them food. When we took food to them, they punished us. They said we should not give them food. That was what they continued doing until the time came when they thought that they cannot feed them themselves so that ...

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

The year - we had worked for quite some time. I think if I have not forgotten 2001, because I can't recall the time, but the diamond mining was on then. Probably I have forgotten, but the diamond mining was on when they were captured and brought there.

Yes.

Yes.

Those of us who came, he used to talk on our behalf. They were the ones who said we should come. That was why a G5 was there. A G5 was somebody who spoke on behalf of the civilians.

Yes, I said it here that he used to speak on our behalf, the civilians.

I do not understand.

I, what I know, the language that he spoke, that is what I have said. I saw him speaking Liberian. He used to speak to us in Liberian language.

He speaks the Liberian language, what I know.

He told me that his name was Sylvester Kaieh. He did not tell me he was a Liberian soldier. That was his name. He told me his name. I never knew his name. He himself told me his name.

No, I can't say. Whatever they did, I can't say.

Yes, he sent them there. When they took diamonds they would wait for him. When he comes they would hand them over to him.

When the gravel is washed they will call him and he will come. When he comes they would give them to him and he will put them in a white paper. I did not know what he did to them.

I did not know where he kept them. I did not know what he did.

Yes, it was not a secret.

Yes.

No, I did not know. When they picked them up they did not hand them over to me. I did not know what they did with them.

What I saw, if it was picked up in my presence they would pass it over. If Issa did not come whatever was taken they will keep it and when their boss, Issa, comes, they will give it to him.

No.

No, I wouldn't know. What I saw, that is - that was what I said.

That was why he sent somebody there, a commander, Officer Med. He was in charge. He was the one who gave the diamonds to him.

Yes, we saw him. We did see him.

Yes, it was not hidden, it was in the open. It is a big road. It is not a hidden mining.

The interpretation.