I want you to understand that and bear that in mind as we look at the further evidence of this individual, because he continues:
"Q. Sir, after this meeting was there an offensive?
A. Yes. That was the time we took the offensive against
Kono and Makeni, and then myself there was an operation from Segwema, from Bunumbu to Segwema, to Jumo Kafebu, Gbava and Bendu Junction."
Mr Koumjian assists the Court with some spellings and then continues:
"Q. In that offensive do you know if the main town in Kono
- Kono Town or Koindu Town as it is sometimes called - was
A. Officially Kono Town was announced on Christmas Day,
that Koindu has been taken over by the RUF.
Q. So that was Christmas Day 1998?
Q. So we have an idea, about how long before Kono Town
fell did Sam Bockarie come back with the 300 boxes of
You notice that, Mr Taylor? 300 boxes of ammunition. Okay? Over the page:
"A. When Sam Bockarie came that was the time he said the
materials has come and that was the time the offensive
Q. Thank you. We are just trying to get an idea of
approximately how much time before Christmas Day, before
Kono fell, did Sam Bockarie come with the ammunition. How
many days or weeks or months? Can you estimate?
A. I'm unable to estimate that, sir.
Q. How soon after Sam Bockarie came with the ammunition
did the operation start?
A. Just when he came with the ammunition there was no
wasting time. The operation started straight. It was only
the meeting that he had in Buedu. Immediately after the
meeting Issa Sesay was dispatched.
Q. Where was Issa Sesay sent?
A. Issa Sesay was sent to Kono along with Morris Kallon
Q. Akim the SLA?
Q. Sir, during this offensive did you play a part in that
A. Yes. It was not in Kono. I was on Segwema and the
various places I named, Jumo Kafebu, Bunumbu.
A. Gbava. And then Sam Bockarie further instructed that
if any air raid took place we should burn the place if
there was any resistance.
Q. Was Sam Bockarie's order to burn down if there is any
resistance, was that carried out?
A. Yes, yes.
Q. Did you see that?
A. Yes, myself I took part in that.
Q. Where did you see the burning?
A. We burned Bunumbu, seven houses in Bunumbu. We burned
houses Segwema. We burned places in Jumo Kafebu. We did
some burning in Gbava.
Q. When you mentioned seven houses in Bunumbu, how about
in the other places? Was it just one house or was it many
A. Some places we burned down ten houses, some areas
seven, some areas eight.
Q. During this offensive in the Kono area - first let us
make it clear, which districts of Sierra Leone were
involved in that offensive?
A. That was Makeni. Makeni, Masingbi, Magburaka.
Q. Were some of these places that were attacked in
There was then an objection, and so let's go to page 2011:
"Q. Do you know which districts were involved in the
A. Like which district?
Q. During these offensives you mentioned Kono Town finally
falling during this offensive.
Q. During these offensives did Sam Bockarie go anywhere?
A. Yes, Sam Bockarie travelled to Liberia.
Q. How do you know that?
A. Because he called Mike Lamin to come and take over, to
be in charge of the ground in Buedu and then myself I
escorted him to Foya where Joe Tuah came with the chopper
and he went to Monrovia.
Q. You said he called Mike Lamin. Who do you mean called
A. Sam Bockarie instructed Mike Lamin to come and take
charge of Buedu until he comes back from his trip.
Q. How did Sam Bockarie communicate with Mike Lamin to
tell him to come to Buedu?
A. Over the Yaesu communication radio.
Q. Now you said he asked Mike Lamin to take charge in
Buedu. You already told us the number two in the RUF at
that time was Issa Sesay. Do you know why he didn't ask
Issa Sesay to take over?
A. Because Issa Sesay was already in Kono heading towards
Makeni, so that was the reason why he called Mike Lamin,
because he was closer to him, to take charge.
Q. You mentioned that you went with Bockarie to Foya, is
A. That is correct.
Q. When you travelled to Foya what happened?
A. Joe Tuah came over the chopper that had a military
colour and then he took Sam Bockarie to Monrovia with the
And he explained that means helicopter:
"Q. Do you know how long Sam Bockarie was in Monrovia?
A. He did not stay there long, sir.
Q. Did you become aware when he came back? Were you
involved at all when he came back?
A. Yes, when he was coming he communicated and he said he
was on his way coming and that he also came with a pick-up,
one ashes colour pick-up, a Toyota Land Cruiser, and he
said it was given to him by Charles Taylor.
Q. Thank you. Again if you can just maybe instead of
saying he try to use the name. Who was it?
A. Sam Bockarie."
Now, let's pause there, Mr Taylor. There's a lot there that we need to deal with. Do you understand which period we're talking about?