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  • Good morning, Mr Witness. Before we continue the process of reviewing evidence that was given to this Court by Prosecution witnesses, there is one matter from yesterday I'd like us to revisit, and that has to do with the issue of what you referred to yesterday as a universal police code. You gave us an example of such a code, you said that the telephone, the item, a telephone, had the code of 10-2-1. Do you recall telling us that?

  • Yes.

  • What exactly is this universal code that you referred to yesterday as being a police code?

  • This universal code is a radio communication code that is prepared and that we received during our course of training in radio communication. And it is an operational code, which means that it is a code that represents - it's a numerical code that represents some meaningful words, like, for example, for telephone, telephone as a whole in this code is represented there as 10-2-1. So that is how it is and that was how we were trained and we were taught that this code is universal and this code is found almost everywhere in the world in every security sector, be it an industrial security or national security.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. You said this universal code is a radio communication code that is prepared and we received during our course of training in radio communication. Who prepared this code?

  • This code was prepared by - let me say, I met it already existing in the system, already prepared, and it was in the system of communication. During my initial training in the communications sector with the NPFL, I met this code in the system, I did not know who prepared it, but I met it in the system.

  • That's fair enough. You said you were taught this code, indeed, you said you were taught that this was a universal code, and it was a code found almost everywhere in the world, in every security sector. When you say you were taught that this was a universal code, is that the same thing as saying that wherever else this code is being used, the manner in which it is used, that is, the numerical figures, and their corresponding words, are in common usage and identical usage everywhere it is used?

  • That's correct.

  • Can you give us examples besides the telephone in relation to other items or places or persons with the use of the universal code.

  • Okay, yes. Yes, I can give examples. Like in saying that the service is on, or the unit is on, for "on" or "in service", for that matter you can say "in service", you can say - you can refer to it as 10-8. And then for the word "busy" or "very busy", it's referred to as 10-6.

  • Yes. Any more examples?

  • Okay. Like visitor, the word "visitor" or "stranger", in this universal police or universal code, so to speak, for the word "stranger", yes, a stranger, or a visitor, it's referred to as 10-12.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, let's go back to reviewing evidence given to the Court by Prosecution witnesses. Today I wish to start with the transcript of 2 July 2008, starting at page 12917. Yes. Thank you, Madam Court Manager.

    Mr Witness, this is the testimony of a protected witness, the TF1 number is 567. I'd like you to listen to what I'm about to read. Can we scroll to the bottom of that page starting at line number 29. It reads, there is a question posed to the witness:

    "Q. Now, let me ask you before you left Koidu Town going

    toward Makeni, are you aware of any communications that

    occurred after the capture of Koidu Town?

    A. Yes. Communication took place at Buedu and another

    communication took place in Monrovia where the operator who

    was in Monrovia, who was with Benjamin Yeaten, called

    Sunlight - communication took place there when the operator

    was trying it tell the other operators how we had captured

    Koidu, how we had captured arms and ammunition, how we had

    captured all the Nigerian soldiers. That communication

    took place.

    Q. And tell us again who was Sunlight?

    A. Sunlight was a radio operator who was with

    Benjamin Yeaten.

    Q. How do you know about these communications?

    A. I was in the radio room when the communication was

    going on.

    Q. Now once you had captured Makeni, what forces were in

    Makeni?

    A. In Makeni too the ECOMOG troops were there together

    with the SLAs. We attacked them.

    Q. And once you captured them and had the town, what

    forces were in Makeni?

    A. That was we, the RUFs, and the AFRC troops, we were

    there.

    Q. Can you tell us when it was that you captured Makeni?

    A. That happened in 1999.

    Q. And do you recall the month?

    A. It happened in January. January 1999."

    Mr Witness, TF1-567 told the Court that before they left Koidu Town to go towards Makeni, that that witness was aware of communications that occurred after the capture of Koidu Town. The witness says the communication took place at Buedu and another one took place in Monrovia, that Sunlight was trying to tell the other operators about how they, the RUF, had captured Koidu, how they had captured arms and ammunition, and how they had captured all the Nigerian soldiers. And a time frame is given to us in relation to when they captured Makeni, the witness said that happened in 1999, January 1999.

    Mr Witness, around the month of January 1999, do you recall Sunlight having a communication with Buedu regarding the capture of Nigerian soldiers?

  • It did not happen that way. And I would express a doubt, that is to say Sunlight never visited Sierra Leone. Sunlight was not in Sierra Leone to know whether there was an attack somewhere so that he could be in the position to inform the headquarters about how the attack went on. So that, in itself, is somehow surprising to me. Even though that witness said that in his testimony, but it did not happen that way. Sunlight never reported any front line update to any RUF operators. He was not there and he did not know what happened there.

    Lastly, Sunlight was not dealing with the RUF organisation. Sunlight was only taking instruction from Ben to Sam Bockarie. That is, he was working in connection to the friendship between Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten, but he was not working with the RUF organisation, nor was he working in the interests of the RUF organisation.

  • Now, Mr Witness, the witness who testified may not have been suggesting that Sunlight was in Sierra Leone. The witness was suggesting that Sunlight was in Monrovia, at least when this communication took place, and that Sunlight was trying to tell other radio operators how the RUF had captured Koidu, how they had captured arms and ammunition. When you were around Sunlight in Monrovia, in January of 1999, do you recall any such communication regarding the capture of Koidu, the capture of arms and ammunition, and the capture of Nigerian soldiers?

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we go to page 12976, from the transcript of 4 July 2008. Thank you, Madam Court Manager. If we scroll to line number 15, at line 16 a question is posed to the witness:

    "Q. Mr Witness, just before the break you had told the

    Court that you, Sam Bockarie and others had come back from

    Sierra Leone to Monrovia and that Sam Bockarie refused to

    go to Lome so all of you waited in Monrovia until

    Foday Sankoh came to Monrovia."

    The witness was asked:

    "What communications capability, if any, did the RUF

    delegation have while you were in Lome?

    A. When we were going to the Lome, to the Lome talks,

    Sam Bockarie gave a communication set to Daf, Dauda Fornie,

    for him to be the radio operator to go to Lome. So when we

    went, Daf installed the radio. So it was through that

    radio that we were communicating with Sierra Leone.

    Q. And are you aware of any of the communications that

    took place during your two weeks there?

    We are now over to the following page, page 12977:

    "A. Yes. I was aware of communications.

    Q. What communications are you aware of?

    A. Daf used to communicate with Sam Bockarie in Buedu in

    relation to how the talks were going on. Daf was again

    communicating with Monrovia through Sunlight, a radio

    operator who was working with Benjamin Yeaten. Daf used to

    talk to him. He used to tell him how the peace talks were

    going on."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, TF1-567 told the Court that Daf was given a communication set to take to Lome, Togo, that Daf, while in Lome, communicated with Sam Bockarie in Buedu in relation to how the talks were going on, and that Daf was also in communication with Monrovia through Sunlight and Daf used to tell Sunlight how the peace talks were going on.

    Now, when the RUF were in Lome, was there ever an occasion when Daf communicated by radio, from Lome, with Base 1?

  • No.

  • To your knowledge, did Daf ever radio Sunlight and advise Sunlight about how the peace talks in Lome were progressing?

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we look at the transcript from the --

  • Excuse me, Mr Anyah. I said no, and I want to make a certain clarification, okay.

  • To my knowledge, Daf did not call Sunlight from Lome. To my knowledge, Sunlight never knew whether Daf was part of the RUF delegation to Lome until when Daf called him from Monrovia and said that he was part of the RUF delegation and that he was calling from the RUF guesthouse. That was after his return. He called Sunlight from the RUF guesthouse and said that, "I am part of the RUF delegation that went to Lome and I am back, I'm at the RUF guesthouse." That was when Sunlight knew that Daf ever travelled with the RUF delegation to Lome as a radio operator.

  • Had Daf and Sunlight spoken on the radio before Daf radioed Sunlight from the RUF guesthouse?

  • Do you mean during the time for the Lome peace talks?

  • No. At any time before, because you recall testifying that there was first Sellay and that, after Sellay died sometime in 1999, there was communication between another radio operator in Buedu and Base 1. In fact maybe more than one other radio operator. Was Daf ever in communication with Base 1 from Buedu before this period of time in Monrovia when Daf radioed Base 1?

  • Yes, Daf communicated with Base 1 before, and before the peace talks, and I said Daf communicated with Sunlight before, and, as I said, after the death of Sellay, Sunlight dealt a lot with Daf after the death of Sellay, prior to the peace talks.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. But in relation to Lome, Togo, setting aside Daf for a moment, was Base 1 ever in contact with any RUF radio operator who was at Lome during the peace talks?

  • No. Base 1 was never in contact with any RUF radio outside of Sierra Leone at any point during the time for the peace talks.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we please have the transcript from 8 July 2008? The relevant page being page 13180, starting at line number 19. Mr Witness, listen to the question that was posed to the witness TF1-567:

    "Q. There was a radio you tell us to which RUF personnel

    in Monrovia had access at Benjamin Yeaten's house; is that

    right?

    A. What I am trying to talk about is that Benjamin Yeaten

    had his own radio under his command, but here I am talking

    about the time Assignment 2 took place. At that time I did

    not have a radio under my command, so if I wanted to

    communicate to Sierra Leone I would go to Benjamin Yeaten's

    house.

    Q. There was also a radio in the guesthouse, was there?

    Did you ever use a radio in the Executive Mansion?

    A. I did not use a radio in the Executive Mansion. At any

    time I wanted to communicate during my Assignment 2."

    We are now on the following page:

    "I would go to Benjamin Yeaten's house. There was operator

    there called Sunlight. That is where I used to go to.

    Q. Were you aware of a dedicated radio for communication

    with the RUF within the Executive Mansion?

    A. I knew that there was a radio in the Executive Mansion

    and it belonged to the ATU, but at that time if I wanted to

    communicate with the RUF areas I would go to

    Benjamin Yeaten's place.

    Q. At any time did you have access to a radio in the

    Executive Mansion which was dedicated for use by the RUF?

    A. There was not a day that I went to the Executive

    Mansion to communicate. I said I knew that the ATU had a

    long-range communication radio there, but if I wanted to

    communicate with RUF areas I would go to Benjamin Yeaten's

    house. There was an operator there called Sunlight. That

    was where I used to go and communicate.

    Q. Were you ever told that there was, within the Executive

    Mansion, a radio specifically for use for contacting the

    RUF?

    A. Nobody gave me that information.

    Q. Now you do say however, don't you, that there was an

    occasion when you went to the Executive Mansion to meet

    Charles Taylor?

    A. Yes.

    Q. What time of night was it?

    A. It was past 10."

    Now, let's stop there for the moment. Mr Witness, this witness is saying, first of all, that they were in Monrovia, at some point in time. The witness says that when they wanted to communicate with Sierra Leone, they would go to Benjamin Yeaten's house. There was an operator there called Sunlight. The witness also says that at the Executive Mansion, the witness knew there was a radio there and it belonged to the ATU.

    Let's pause for a moment. To your knowledge, at the time you were based at Base 1, did the ATU have a radio within the Executive Mansion in Monrovia?

  • Yes. The ATU had a radio within the fence of the Executive Mansion in Monrovia.

  • How about within the building itself that is referred to as the Executive Mansion? To your knowledge, did the ATU have a radio within that building?

  • No. The ATU never had radio within the building of the Executive Mansion and the building of the Executive Mansion was not accessible to the ATU, it was strictly for the access of the Special Security Service, and the ATU gave extended protection to the building, but they were not responsible for the internal security of the Executive Mansion building.

  • Is that what you mean when you say - well, tell us what you mean when you say that the Executive Mansion was not accessible to the ATU.

  • I mean that within the building, the security that was responsible for the interior of the Executive Mansion building was the Special Security Service, and the ATU were a long-range armed personnel that were responsible for the outside, for the exterior of the Executive Mansion building. That is, they provided security within the fence and outside of the building of the Executive Mansion. They had their office building apart from the Executive Mansion building.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness.

    Now, Madam President, much like in the circumstances of yesterday when we dealt we dealt with a protected Prosecution witness, I would make an application for a private session, and I make a separate application for the disclosure of the identity of this Prosecution witness to the current witness so that the current witness can more effectively testify as to the evidence given by the Prosecution witness.

  • Does the Prosecution object?

  • Yes, the Prosecution does object. There is no reason that the identity of this witness needs to be made known to this Defence witness. Defence counsel can ask questions without revealing the identity of the witness.

    In fact, Defence counsel could ask questions without even referring to the transcript. There are ways to do it without disclosing to yet another Defence witness the identity of protected Prosecution witnesses and we do object to this procedure.

  • [Trial Chamber conferred]

  • Mr Anyah, by a majority, myself dissenting, the majority of the Bench is of the view that the identity of TF1-567 should not be revealed to the witness.

  • Well, we respect the decision, but may I just make it known for the record, this thoroughly restricts the manner in which we can effectively rebut the Prosecution's case. We have a Prosecution witness who has said they have been to a particular location and dealt with a particular radio operator.

  • Are you going behind the ruling?

  • Yes, Justice Doherty, I didn't understand your Honour, I didn't hear.

  • For the purposes of the record I asked if you were going behind the ruling?

  • No, I am not, but because I didn't respond immediately to counsel's response to our application, I wanted to put our position on the record, and our position is that this significantly, severely interferes with our ability to effectively rebut the Prosecution's case.

  • You heard the ruling, Mr Anyah. The accused knew who this person was that we are talking about now, and he had the chance to cross-examine him; and I agree with Ms Hollis, that there are ways of forming your questions that you can effectively confront this evidence without revealing the identity of this witness to the current witness.

  • Well, your Honour the difficulty in this circumstance --

  • Let's not argue about it. Let's just get on with it. You've heard our ruling.

  • Mr Anyah, do you still require the private session?

  • Yes. I make a motion for reconsideration, if your Honours are willing to entertain it, because this is a circumstance where the details of the communication that that Prosecution witness made through Base 1 are not revealed in the transcript.

    I cannot put to this witness, for example, "Are you aware of such a communication being made by an RUF member?" This is just an instance where the Prosecution witness says they went to that place and they knew the radio operator there and that they communicated through that radio; whenever they wanted to communicate with Sierra Leone, they went to that place and communicated. So the identity of the Prosecution witness is clearly at issue. I make a motion for reconsideration.

  • If your Honours are going to entertain the motion, the Prosecution requests the opportunity to be heard on the motion.

  • The way I see it, Mr Anyah, you made two applications: One was to reveal the identity of the protected witness; the other was a private session to consider certain details that would likely reveal the identity of that witness, not this witness but that witness. Perhaps even this witness, I don't know. And the ruling by a majority was that the first application, which was to reveal the identity of the protected witness, was denied, but that has little bearing on the second application. Now, I do not think that the Bench is inclined to reconsider but let me consult.

  • [Trial Chamber conferred]

  • Mr Anyah, the decision of course is not to reconsider the decision, to disallow the revelation of the protected witness.

    Mr Anyah, we would have no objection to a private session to discuss or to go into the evidence of a protected witness provided, of course, that you're mindful of the earlier ruling of the majority. So we will go into a brief private session and you just have to do your best to see how you can put questions to the witness.

  • Well, I request a private session, if your Honours are willing to entertain it, but I do not think - well, I will prefer to be heard in private session about this matter.

  • Madam Court Manager we, will go into private session for the purposes of looking at the evidence of a protected witness or examining the evidence of a protected witness.

  • [At this point in the proceedings, a portion of the transcript, pages 47670 to 47671, was extracted and sealed under separate cover, as the proceeding was heard in private session.]

  • [Open session]

  • Your Honour, we are in open session.

  • Mr Witness, continuing where I left off, you will recall when I read you the transcript that the Prosecution witness TF1-567 said that they went to the Executive Mansion to meet Charles Taylor. And when asked what time of night it was, the witness said it was past 10. Now, let's continue from there. This is line number 27. Question to that witness --

  • Is that past 10 in the night?

  • It will become clearer when I read the next few lines, Madam President.

  • Question to that witness:

    "Q. Can you help us by being a bit more specific?

    A. I can't be specific but it was past 10 o'clock.

    Q. For example, was it before or after midnight?"

    Over to the following page which is page 13182:

    "A. I said it was past 10 o'clock. I do not know the exact

    time but it was past 10.

    Q. You were summoned by Charles Taylor to come and meet

    him?

    A. According to how I got the information, we were on

    assignment 1 when Benjamin Yeaten came and told me that his

    dad, Charles Taylor, had sent him for me and members of the

    Memunatu Deen, that he wanted to see us. That was how

    I went there.

    Q. Who went with you?

    A. Memunatu Deen and Benjamin Yeaten.

    Q. And Memunatu Deen, that's a woman, am I right?

    A. Correct.

    Q. And when you got to the Executive Mansion, eventually

    you met with Charles Taylor, did you?

    A. Yes, when I got to the Executive Mansion we waited in

    the waiting room. Later he met us.

    Q. Now, if I understand what you're telling us,

    President Taylor must have known that you were coming

    because he had sent Benjamin Yeaten to fetch you, hadn't

    he?

    A. Yes.

    Q. But when you got there he came out to see you dressed

    in his pyjamas; is that right?

    A. Exactly."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, this same Prosecution witness TF1-567, who said that whenever they wanted to communicate with Sierra Leone they would do so through Base 1, also told the Court, as you've heard me read, that they accompanied Benjamin Yeaten and Memunatu Deen to the Executive Mansion when the witness met the President of Liberia, Charles Taylor, who was dressed in his pyjamas.

    While you were stationed at Base 1, Mr Witness, were you aware of any occasion when Benjamin Yeaten took Memunatu Deen and a RUF member to the Executive Mansion to meet the President of Liberia?

  • It's not to my knowledge. And moreover, Memunatu Deen's operation in Liberia was very covert, it was secret. It was secret, and the Government of the Republic of Liberia did not know that Memunatu Deen was in Liberia and carrying on with such operations. So it is not to my knowledge that Memunatu Deen or any one of the RUF was accompanied by Benjamin Yeaten to meet the President. That's not to my knowledge.

  • Well, forgetting these witnesses or this witness's account for a moment, in your experience as a radio operator for Benjamin Yeaten, and in your experience working at the Executive Mansion as a radio operator --

  • Mr Anyah, do you wish to redact anything that you just said?

  • No, Madam President, those are already on the record.

  • Now, given your experiences in these different assignments, are you aware of instances when the President of Liberia would receive visitors at the Executive Mansion at a late hour, such as 10 p.m?

  • I'm not aware of that.

  • Mr Anyah, I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to clarify that evidence. Mr Witness, yesterday you told us that in all the time you served in the Executive Mansion, you never even got to see the President. So how would you know who he saw and who he didn't see?

  • This is why I said it is not to my knowledge that the President of Liberia received guests at 10 o'clock at night or late at night. I don't know.

  • Mr Witness, you told us that Memunatu Deen used to come to Base 1?

  • You told us that Benjamin Yeaten resided, indeed owned, the building where Base 1 was located in, yes?

  • He owned, in this sense I mean he rented, but the building was within his possession and control. Now, at any point in time when Memunatu Deen would come to Base 1, did she ever tell you of her visit with the President of Liberia?

  • No. Memunatu Deen never told me about anything concerning her visit to the President of Liberia.

  • Did Benjamin Yeaten ever tell you that he took Memunatu Deen to visit the President of Liberia?

  • Did you hear from anyone else, whether a Government of Liberia security personnel, whether another radio operator, that Memunatu Deen had the privilege of meeting the President of Liberia?

  • No.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May I ask for the transcript of 9 July 2008 to be displayed, starting at page 13349. Thank you, Madam Court Manager.

    Mr Witness, you remember yesterday I showed you some photographs and you identified somebody that you referred to as Jabaty?

  • Well, in July of 2008, somebody by the name of Jabaty Jaward came to this Court and testified and I want to read to you what that witness said, at least some of it.

  • Starting at line number 9 on that page, a question was posed to Jabaty Jaward, the TF1 number being TF1-388:

    "Q. Now, during the period that Sam Bockarie was in Kenema,

    do you know whether he was in communication with anyone

    outside of the territory of Sierra Leone?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. Who do you know that he was in communication with at

    that time?

    A. At that time I monitored communication between him and

    one of the radio operators in Liberia. I later came to

    know his name as Sunlight.

    Q. Now, when you say you monitored communication, can you

    explain exactly what form of communication that you

    monitored?

    A. To be specific, at one point at Bo Waterside, I mean

    Gendema, the Sierra Leonean side on the border of Liberia,

    during the Kamajor operations we had a radio set. It was

    there that he communicated with Sunlight and he gave us

    feedback about what was happening in Liberia.

    Q. Now when you say 'at one time', what time specifically

    are you referring to that he made this radio communication

    with Sunlight?

    A. As I told you earlier, before he settled down in Kenema

    he went on an operation in Zimmi to fight against the

    Kamajors and I was in the group."

    We are now over to the following page:

    "It was there that he was communicating about even the

    election that went on in Liberia and that Charles Taylor

    won the elections and, secondly, that most of the Kamajors

    were running away from his attacks and that they were

    scattered all over Liberia and he even made mention of some

    ECOMOG - some Sierra Leone ECOMOG - who were in Monrovia.

    He said they were there, he said - they said there was a

    kind of misunderstanding between the ECOMOG - the ECOMOGs,

    the Sierra Leone ECOMOG and the other regiments of the

    ECOMOG - and that evening he was even trying to."

    Let's stop there, Mr Witness. Somebody called Jabaty Jaward told the Court all of this, that there was radio communication between Sam Bockarie and one of the radio operators in Liberia, whose name Jabaty later knew to be Sunlight, that the communication involved discussions such as the election that went on in Liberia that Charles Taylor had won. Mr Witness, when did Charles Taylor win the presidency of Liberia? What year was that?

  • President Taylor won the 1997 general and presidential elections in Liberia.

  • So this is now 1997 we are talking about. The witness says that this conversation took place during a Kamajor operation, that is, the RUF had an operation, and the RUF had a radio set in the vicinity of Gendema, which is along the Liberian-Sierra Leonean border, that in addition to speaking about the elections in Liberia, there was also mention of Kamajors running away from Sam Bockarie's attacks and that the Kamajors were now scattered all over Liberia. There was also a discussion of the Sierra Leonean ECOMOG contingent.

    Mr Witness, do you remember ever hearing about such a discussion between Sunlight and Sam Bockarie in 1997?

  • No, it's not to my knowledge.

  • Was there ever an occasion when Sam Bockarie and Sunlight discussed the Sierra Leonean ECOMOG contingent in 1997?

  • There was no time that Sam Bockarie and Sunlight discussed the 1997 election, be it on the radio or personally.

  • Yes, but listen to my question. We appreciate your response because it is also relevant. If you look at that same page, at lines 24 to 26, Jabaty Jaward told this Court that Sam Bockarie said at that time that he was in conversation with a radio operator by the name of Sunlight in Liberia. My question that I just asked you was whether there was ever an occasion when Sam Bockarie and Sunlight discussed the Sierra Leonean ECOMOG contingent in 1997, not the elections, the issue of the ECOMOG contingent.

  • I never, and I want to expand on that, that in 1997 Sunlight was at the Executive Mansion as a radio operator, and at that time he had not known who Sam Bockarie was, he had not known anything concerning RUF operations, so he had no knowledge of the existence of such or - he had no knowledge of such communications at the time.

  • Thank you. On the following page, page 13351, we see between lines 11 and 21, that the witness continued and elaborated saying that they were at Gendema along the Liberian border and that Sam Bockarie told the witness that he had been discussing with Sunlight about the elections won by Charles Taylor at that time in Liberia.

    Now, Mr Witness, 1997, around the time Charles Taylor became President, in your previous response you told us where Sunlight was, at the Executive Mansion, but you remember when you testified a few days ago, you told us that you, yourself, were at the Executive Mansion in Gbarnga, I'm not referring to Monrovia, right through the time before President Taylor was elected. Is that correct?

  • Yes. Yes. During the time - after the election, and after President Taylor had won, that building that was now considered as the Executive Mansion in Gbarnga was no longer the Executive Mansion. That building that was referred to as the Executive Mansion during the NPRAG regime of the NPFL government, but after the election in 1997, in fact, during the electoral process, that area was no longer considered as the Executive Mansion. It was a private residence of the President. So during that time, when you say Executive Mansion, it meant that the Executive Mansion building in Monrovia, the official office of the President.

  • Now, you also worked at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia. When did you start working at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia? Was it before or after Charles Taylor's inauguration as President?

  • I started work at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia after the inauguration of President Taylor.

  • Now, going back to this witness's evidence, was there an occasion shortly or around the time after President Taylor's election victory, that Sam Bockarie was in communication with Sunlight at the Executive Mansion regarding President Taylor's election victory?

  • Yes. Was there ever a time, shortly or around the time after President Taylor won the elections in 1997, that there was a communication between Sam Bockarie, who was in Sierra Leone, and Sunlight, who was at the Executive Mansion, regarding President Taylor's victory?

  • To my knowledge, there was no communication between Sam Bockarie and Sunlight at the Executive Mansion of the Republic of Liberia in relation to President Taylor's victory or any other matter as a whole. Sunlight never spoke with Sam Bockarie at the Executive Mansion.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness.

    May we please go to the transcript of 10 July 2008, starting at page number 13417. Thank you, Madam Court Manager.

    Mr Witness, if we could go to line number 15, Mr Witness, listen to the question. It is the same Prosecution witness testifying, TF1-338, Jabaty Jaward. It's a question posed:

    "Q. Now, earlier you talked about communication which

    Sam Bockarie had with an operator in Liberia called

    Sunlight. Do you recall?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. Now, apart from that situation which you described at

    Gendema where you said" --

  • Please pause, Mr Anyah. We - the text on the screen is not what you're reading. Perhaps you could repeat.

  • 10 July 2008, page 13417.

  • Okay. Please proceed now.

  • I think the correct transcript is up now. I have it both in hard copy and electronic form, so unless the pages have been renumbered.

  • Now, line 15:

    "Q. Now, earlier you talked about communication with

    Sam Bockarie - which Sam Bockarie had with an operator in

    Liberia called Sunlight. Do you recall?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. Now, apart from that situation which you described at

    Gendema where you said Sam Bockarie communicated with

    Sunlight, were there any other times that there was

    communication between Sam Bockarie and anybody outside of

    RUF territory, outside of Sierra Leone?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. What do you recall about these communications?

    A. I can describe the type of communication I monitored

    from Sam Bockarie at that time in two phases: He used to

    communicate on VHF radio directly with Sunlight and the RUF

    radio operators that were at that time in Monrovia; and,

    secondly, he used to communicate on a satellite telephone

    that he had. At one time, with the exception of his

    interviewers over the international medias, he even had a

    communication with Charles Taylor one particular night and

    he even told me that he was talking to the Papay."

  • That was "interviews" over the international media. You said, Mr Anyah, "interviewers".

  • Thank you, Madam President, I will repeat that part.

  • "At one time, with the exception of his interviews with the

    international medias, he even had a communication with

    Charles Taylor one particular night and he even told me

    that he was talking to the Papay.

    Q. Can we, first of all, focus on the communications via

    VHF radio which you have mentioned. You said that he would

    communicate directly with - I believe you said Sunlight in

    Liberia, but then you mentioned radio operators, RUF radio

    operators. Can you explain exactly how he communicated

    with Liberia using VHF radio?

    A. As far as the VHF radio is concerned, sometimes he

    himself spoke directly with Memuna or Tolo, who were the

    radio operators in Monrovia during 1998/'99 whilst I was in

    Buedu, and sometimes those operators will send radio

    messages to the operators that we had in Sierra Leone

    concerning information to Sam Bockarie."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, when I started to read this section, on the previous page, at line 26, Jabaty Jaward said, "I can describe the type of communication I monitored from Sam Bockarie at that time in two phases." He uses the word "monitored", at least that's how it was interpreted. Was Jabaty Jaward, to your knowledge, a radio operator for the RUF.

  • I don't know any Jabaty Jaward as a radio operator of the RUF. Secondly, I don't know that name Jabaty Jaward.

  • Now, setting that aside for a moment, this Jabaty Jaward said there were two modes or phases, as he referred to it, of communication by Sam Bockarie with outside RUF territory. First was the VHF radio directly with Sunlight, Sunlight and the RUF radio operators that were in Monrovia. And secondly, he used to communicate on a satellite phone that he had. And, in explaining how Sam Bockarie communicated with Liberia using the VHF radio, Jabaty Jaward said that sometimes Sam Bockarie spoke directly with Memuna or Tolo, radio operators in Monrovia during 1998 and '99.

    Mr Witness, was Tolo, or any person referred to as Tolo, a radio operator operating in Monrovia on behalf of the RUF, to your knowledge, in the year 1998?

  • No.

  • How about the year 1999?

  • Do you remember us discussing somebody called Osman Tolo, and you told us that that person had a relationship with Memunatu Deen. You recall that?

  • Yes, I recall that.

  • You told us that that person accompanied Sam Bockarie to Monrovia when Sam Bockarie came to Monrovia in December 1999 to seek refuge in Liberia.

  • The person you know as Osman Tolo, was that person, to your knowledge, an operator for the RUF operating out of Monrovia in either 1998 or 1999, before Sam Bockarie finally came to Liberia?

  • No. The person I knew as Osman Tolo, I knew him as a radio operator for the RUF. Even his fiancee, Memunatu Deen, confirmed that, and he had also been speaking to Memuna on the radio from Sierra Leone, and when Memunatu Deen was at Base 1, when he finally came, when he came along with Sam Bockarie during Sam Bockarie's final stay in Liberia, I did not see him operating on a radio, and I don't know him to be an RUF operator within the territory of the Republic of Liberia.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. And in relation to Memunatu, the name used here by this witness was Memuna, but let's use the name Memunatu, the radio operator you testified about before, was it the case that it was during all of 1998, the entire period of 1998, that Memunatu had access to use Base 1?

  • No, Memunatu Deen had access to use Base 1 at the close of 1998; that is, from November to December 1998.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, let's continue with the transcript. We are at page 13418 the transcript of 10 July 2008, line number 16:

    "Q. First of all you mentioned two names there, Memuna and

    Tolo. Who were these persons?

    A. They were the RUF radio operators assigned in Monrovia

    at that time.

    Q. And who were the radio operators in Buedu who

    communicated with these other operators in Liberia?

    A. Well, there were many operators at that time, because

    they used to change shifts. There were a whole unit - they

    were a whole unit on their own by then.

    Q. Can you remember any names?

    A. Yes, sir.

    Q. Please mention them.

    A. I can remember Tiger, it was a nickname for an

    operator, and we had Ahmed Tarawalli, who was often called

    T Boy, and I can remember" - page 13419 - "Seibatu, Pascal,

    who was - I cannot recall the last name but he is something

    Amara, but I remember Pascal, and then we had Ebony. They

    were many actually, but they used to change shifts. They

    were not permanent radio operators. There was no permanent

    radio operator that I observed staying with the radio

    throughout.

    Q. The operators in Monrovia who you mentioned, that is

    Memuna and Tolo, do you know who assigned them there?

    A. I mean, they were assigned there by Sam Bockarie."

    Now, let's pause there. Mr Witness, these names of RUF radio operators that I've mentioned, at least that were mentioned by Jabaty Jaward, Tiger, Ahmed Tarawalli, T Boy, Seibatu, Pascal, something Amara, Ebony, are any of those names that you recall Base 1 communicated with when Base 1 communicated with Buedu?

  • I can remember the name Pascal when Base 1 was communicating with Buedu. Pascal once intercepted Base 1's call when Base 1 was trying to get in touch with Buedu and Buedu was not found on the net. He intercepted the call and said he will - he would help to connect Buedu with Base 1 because Base 1 never had all of their frequencies, so he did that. This was how I knew the name Pascal. But he was not someone whom Sunlight or Dew dealt with, during the time of operations.

  • Did Sunlight or Dew ever discuss anything of substance with Pascal, that is any communication sent by Benjamin Yeaten to Sam Bockarie?

  • Besides Pascal, any of the other names I mentioned, do you recall having communications with them from Base 1 when Base 1 communicated with Buedu, the names are Tiger, Ahmed Tarawalli, T Boy, something Amara, Seibatu and somebody called Ebony.

  • I - for Ebony, I can recall that Ebony - Sunlight or Dew, let's say Base 1, dealt with Ebony, I think, from Buedu, but he operated - Sunlight told him that he wanted to talk to Daf because these were the people whom Sunlight or Dew knew to be the actual or the personal operators for Sam Bockarie. Without Daf or Mortiga on the set.

  • Your Honours, can he kindly slow down and repeat this part of his testimony.

  • Pause, Mr Witness. You said in your last words, rather quickly, "Without Daf or Mortiga on the set". Can you continue from there and repeat your evidence slowly, please.

  • What I was saying was that Daf and Mortiga, after the death of Sellay, were those operators of Bravo Zulu 4 or Planet 1 whom Base 1 was dealing with in relation to Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten. These were the operators whom Base 1 was dealing with. In the absence of Daf or Mortiga, Base 1 will never give any information to any operators, whether that operator claimed to be an operator of Bravo Zulu 4, he would tell them that he wanted talk to Daf or Mortiga. Base 1 never delivered any information to any of these operators, with the exception of Daf or Mortiga.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Can I ask, please, that the transcript for 8 September 2008 be pulled up, starting at page 15630. That's 8 September 2008, page 15630, starting at line number 18. Thank you, Madam Court Manager.

    Mr Witness, this is the testimony of another Prosecution witness, the TF1 number is TF1-585. That's 585. Mr Witness, listen to the question that was posed at line 18 and beyond:

    "Q. You mentioned Foxtrot Yankee as one of the stations

    from which 448 messages came. Where was Foxtrot Yankee

    based?

    A. It was based at Foya airfield in Liberia.

    Q. Do you know who used this call sign, Foxtrot Yankee?

    A. Well, there were radio operators whose names I don't

    recall now.

    Q. And do you know who controlled the radio at Foya that

    used this call sign?

    A. Well, the radio station was under the control of

    Charles Taylor's soldiers.

    Q. And can you recall when these messages came from

    Foxtrot Yankee?"

    Over the page:

    "A. Well, I recall that at any time they saw the ECOMOG

    jet fly over their area, or heading towards our own area,

    they will also come over the net and tell us that, '448 has

    just passed our location' and that, '448 is heading for

    your location.' Then the station will go off.

    Q. Over what period? What period are we talking of here

    that these messages came from Foxtrot Yankee?

    A. Well, from early '98 throughout.

    Q. And when you say early '98 can you recall a month in

    '98?

    A. Well, I cannot recall the month now because it has been

    a long time ago. I don't recall."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, this witness told the Court that whenever an ECOMOG jet would fly over their area, referring to the area where Foxtrot Yankee was based, and it was headed towards the RUF area, that Foxtrot Yankee would come over the net and tell them that, "448 has just passed our location," and that "448 is heading for your location." Do you know what the code 448 refers to, Mr Witness?

  • I don't know.

  • When you were a radio operator at Base 1, was there a code that was used for ECOMOG jets?

  • No. We never heard - we never had a specific code for an ECOMOG jet.

  • The radio that you referred to as "Forstrot Yankee", it's slightly different pronunciation and spelling, when was that radio in operation for the first time in Foya?

  • That radio, to my knowledge, was in operation in - during the LURD invasion. That is, in the year 1999. And it was a radio owned by the navy division, headed or commanded by General Roland Duoh.

  • You gave us another name for that radio in Foya that you said was its formal name. What was that other name?

  • I said that the official code for that radio was Amphibian Base, Amphibian's Base.

  • The Liberian - I'm sorry --

  • Amphibian's Base because the code for General Roland Duoh was Amphibian, Amphibian's Father, so the radio was named after him, Amphibian's Base.

  • Madam President, I believe we have Roland Duoh on the record from previously as well as Amphibian Father.

  • Now, Mr Witness, what do you say to this evidence that says that messages were being sent from Foxtrot Yankee in the year 1998, indeed throughout 1998?

  • What I have to say is that to my knowledge there was no radio communication in Foya with the exception of Voinjama radio that I mentioned, that is Forest. There was no radio communication in Foya during the time I was at the Executive Mansion. Even when I took assignment at Unit 50's duty as member of the bodyguards, I never heard the code - I never heard that there was a radio in Foya within the period of 1998.

  • Well, Mr Witness, just to be clear, the record now says that "when I took assignment at Unit 50's duty as member of the bodyguards". Were you ever assigned as a bodyguard to Benjamin Yeaten?

  • Yes. My assignment was I was in the bodyguard unit, a bodyguard duty. The entire duty in the SSS was considered as a bodyguard duty and within the bodyguard duty he had his communication men who were Dew and Sunlight. In spite of them being radio operators, they were also bodyguards to him, from the SSS, provided by the SSS.

  • Thank you for that clarification. Let's continue with the transcript, at line number 15, same page, page 15631:

    "Q. When you say 'throughout' what do you mean? Throughout

    what period?

    A. Up to 1999 when we left for Monrovia.

    Q. What about the case of the messages from Sky 1 at RIA?

    Over what period did you get those messages?

    A. Well, it was from 1998 at the time the ECOMOG jet was

    bombarding the RUF-controlled zones.

    Q. Up until what time?

    A. Up to 1999, mid-1999, even before we left to go to

    Monrovia.

    Q. You also mentioned Base 1 as a radio that communicated

    448 messages, do you recall?

    A. Yes, yes, yes.

    Q. And you mentioned Lima Bravo, do you recall as well?

    A. Yes."

    Over to the following page:

    "Q. Now, where were those two radios located?

    A. Well, those two call signs were just one radio station

    located in Benjamin Yeaten's compound in Monrovia.

    Q. Do you recall who the operators were on this radio?

    A. Yes. I still recall Sunlight and Dew."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, let's consider this. The general topic is alerting the RUF with 448 messages, which concern ECOMOG jets flying over to bombard RUF-controlled zones. This witness is saying, in the first instance, that in addition to Foxtrot Yankee in Foya, messages were sent from RIA by Sky 1. That is, messages warning the RUF about ECOMOG jets proceeding to bombard RUF-controlled areas. These are 448 messages. You've told us about an operator called Sky 1. To your knowledge, was that operator, Sky 1, ever assigned to RIA or Roberts International Airfield?

  • Not to my knowledge.

  • Was there a radio operated by the Government of Liberia at Roberts International Airfield?

  • Yes. There was a joint security radio at the RIA for the Government of Liberia.

  • When you say joint security, what do you mean?

  • When I say joint security, it means a combination of the various security apparatus working within the security network of Liberia. That is, the SSS, the National Security Agency, the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalisation, the Liberian national police, and other security agencies combined, working at the RIA to ensure the protection and safety of the airport.

  • In which part of Liberia is RIA located?

  • RIA is located in Margibi County, around the Firestone Rubber Plantation area.

  • In which county was Base 1 located at?

  • Base 1 was located in Montserrado County.

  • Are you aware of a radio station controlled by Benjamin Yeaten that had the call sign Lima Bravo?

  • You heard what I read. The witness who testified said that Lima Bravo and Base 1, that those two call signs were just one radio station located in Benjamin Yeaten's compound in Monrovia. Mr Witness, was there a radio station located in Benjamin Yeaten's compound in Monrovia with the call sign Lima Bravo?

  • When I was there, to the best of my knowledge, Benjamin Yeaten never had two distinct radio communication sets, two distinct VHF radio communication sets. Secondly, the single radio communication, VHF radio communication, that he had had the call sign Base 1 from the beginning, from the establishment of this communication set, to the end of this communication set, to the end of the - let's say from 1998 to 2003 it remained as Base 1. It never changed its name and it never had - it never had two distinct communication sets. There was just one radio and one call sign throughout.

  • Are you aware, Mr Witness, of any of the radio operators at Base 1 transmitting 448 warning messages to the RUF-controlled areas, indicating that ECOMOG jets were headed their way?

  • I was not aware of that.

  • How about to Buedu? Did any radio operator at Base 1, to your knowledge, send warning messages using the 448 code or phraseology to notify Buedu that ECOMOG jets flying from Liberia were coming to bombard RUF-controlled zones?

  • I was not aware, and the term 448 was not a part - it was not found in the communication code of the Republic of Liberia, and it was never used by any operator at Base 1 when I was there, and I do not know the code 448. Secondly, there was at no time that any operator at Base 1 that I saw transmitting information about ECOMOG jets to Sierra Leone or to the RUF.

  • Now, you've lived in Monrovia before, and you know the area around Base 1. Given your knowledge of that area, is it the case that a plane, in this case a military jet, taking off from Roberts International Airfield in Margibi County would typically fly over Montserrado County, in particular the area where Base 1 was at, if it was going westward towards Sierra Leone?

  • Please repeat your question.

  • Yes. When you were based at Base 1 were there occasions where you would see ECOMOG jets fly over the airspace or the sky above where Base 1 was, those jets having taken off from Roberts International Airfield in Margibi County?

  • The border between Liberia and Sierra Leone, how many counties on the Liberian side are there along that border?

  • Around the border, to my knowledge, there are two counties. From Lofa, we have a border with Sierra Leone and Lofa and in Cape Mount.

  • Shall we take a look at a map of Liberia, please? I have a copy of a map here. It's very similar to Prosecution exhibit 26 but I don't think there will be an objection to looking at a map of Liberia.

    Thank you, Madam Court Officer. Could the witness actually switch seats and perhaps be handed a pen so that he might assist us.

    Now, Mr Witness, we are looking at a map of Liberia. Foya is not shown on that map but can you use your pen, if you know, and indicate on the map, just point at it for us, where you believe Foya is in Liberia.

  • Foya - if what I'm seeing here is Kolahun, Foya will be somewhere around here, behind Kolahun, somewhere here.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, where is Margibi County on this map?

  • Okay. Here is Margibi.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. And where is Montserrado County?

  • Here is Montserrado.

  • Now, you realise that the witness who testified spoke of three areas where these 448 warnings were coming from. One, the witness said, was Foya. Two, the witness said was from Base 1 and Lima Bravo, which was in Benjamin Yeaten's compound. And three was in RIA, which you tell us is in Margibi County.

    Now, Mr Witness, given the border area between Liberia and Sierra Leone, starting from Grand Cape Mount all the way up to Lofa County, do you know the trajectory or the pattern of flight of planes that take off from RIA going to Sierra Leone?

  • I don't know. I actually don't know. I can't see a plane in the air and say this plane is going this way. I don't know.

  • When you were at Base 1, in Benjamin Yeaten's compound, whenever you saw a plane, did you know where it was going?

  • I didn't know. I did not know where it picked up from and where it was heading to.

  • Were there flights from RIA, during the time when you were in Base 1, to the country Guinea, as far as you know?

  • I don't know, no, I don't have knowledge about that.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. That's all I have for the map.

    May we please go to page 15636, also in the transcript of 8 September 2008, starting at line number 10. The question was posed to the witness, TF1-585:

    "Q. You talked about a Liberian operator who was in Kenema

    at the time you were there, do you recall?

    A. Yes.

    Q. The name of that operator you said was Sellay. Is that

    correct?

    A. Yes, we used to call him CO Sellay.

    Q. In your evidence on Friday you talked about the

    communications which Sellay had with Liberia and you said

    that those communications were restricted. Do you recall

    that?

    A. Yes.

    Q. To whom were the communications restricted?

    A. Well, it was from other fighters, the other RUF

    fighters, and even amongst us the radio operators who were

    there.

    Q. Now, who had access to those communications and who had

    not? It is not quite clear from your answer. Who had

    access to communications with Sellay in Liberia? Let's

    start with who had access.

    A. Well, Sam Bockarie was number one person who had access

    to such communication.

    Q. Anybody else?"

    Over to the following page:

    "A. Well, Jungle and Sellay and Issa Sesay.

    Q. Did any of the operators - Bockarie's operators - have

    access to such communications?

    A. Well, they only used to receive calls. When they came

    on they would call, when Benjamin Yeaten's operators came

    on, Sunlight, they will call and then sometimes Ebony would

    receive the call or Tourist will receive the call. That

    was when they would want to inquire about Sellay or

    Sam Bockarie. Those were the only communications that they

    monitored or that they received."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, you told us about the secrecy that surrounded the communication between Base 1 and Buedu. You told us that you dealt - at least those in Base 1 dealt mostly with Sellay, indeed, only with Sellay until Sellay died and then they started dealing with Mortiga and Daf. What I have just read to you, this witness before the Court said, in terms of those who had access to this information, that Issa Sesay also had access to these communications. Are you aware of --

  • Yes, Ms Hollis, please?

  • For completeness, what Defence counsel just read had to do with communications while they were in Kenema, not Buedu.

  • I take the observation. I will include Kenema in my questioning.

  • Mr Witness, this witness was speaking of a time when they had a Liberian operator in Kenema, and the witness said that person was CO Sellay. The witness went on to say, in terms of who had access to information that arose through communication with Sunlight and Benjamin Yeaten's operators, that they included Sam Bockarie, Jungle, Sellay and Issa Sesay. Now, you were assigned at Base 1, Sunlight was there. Let's start with the period when you were at Base 1. Was there communication with Sellay in Kenema in Sierra Leone, when you were at Base 1?

  • When I was at Base 1, to my knowledge, there was no communication with Sellay from Kenema, but - Jungle told Sunlight that Sellay was in Buedu, and Sunlight only knew Sellay's location to be Buedu. So whether he called from Kenema or from anywhere else, Sunlight knew Sellay's location from Buedu in late 1998. But there was no time that Sunlight ever knowingly communicated with Sellay from Kenema.

  • Now, I'm going to the question of who had access to communications between Base 1 and Sellay in Buedu. Are you aware of Issa Sesay ever having access to those communications?

  • Are you aware of Issa Sesay having access to any communications from Benjamin Yeaten to Sellay in Kenema? Not Buedu, in Kenema.

  • I don't have knowledge of Benjamin Yeaten transmitting information from Base 1 to Sellay in Kenema.

  • How about when Sunlight was at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia? Do you recall an instance when Sunlight, while at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia, from 1997 to late 1998, had any radio communication with Sellay, whether Sellay was in Kenema or in Buedu?

  • When Sunlight was at the Executive Mansion in Monrovia, from August of 1997 to September of 1998, he never knew who Sellay was, he never knew the name Sellay. He never communicated with Sellay at all.

  • Thank you. Now, may we move to page 15650 from the same day's transcript. Starting at line number 6. Mr Witness, if we looked at the preceding page, 15649, between lines 19 and 21, we will see that this witness, TF1-585, says that they were in Buedu when Johnny Paul Koroma was removed from power. And then we come to line 1 - we come to page 15650 during the time when that witness was in Buedu. The question was asked of the witness:

    "Q. Did you monitor, as well as receive, calls from

    Liberia?

    A. Well, we usually received calls from Liberia - Liberian

    stations, not just one station, into the RUF stations.

    Q. Which stations did you receive calls from from Liberia?

    A. Well, we received calls from Base 1. We received calls

    from Foxtrot Yankee. We received calls from Base 1 and

    even through the satellite phone. Communication went on

    through the satellite telephone.

    Q. Now, who were you receiving calls from from Base 1?

    A. From Sunlight, or Dew, or sometimes from Jungle.

    Q. And these communications were directed to who?

    A. Well, to Sam Bockarie.

    Q. How did you know that these were calls directed to

    Sam Bockarie?

    A. The operators at Base 1 usually called directly our

    national station, which is Planet 1, Sam Bockarie's

    station.

    Q. On whose behalf were these calls made from Base 1?

    A. Well, it was from Benjamin Yeaten to Sam Bockarie.

    Q. Can you describe normally how the communications go

    when there was a call from Base 1 to Planet 1?

    A. Well, their station would come on, which was Base 1,

    and they will just say, 'Base 1 for Planet 1'. And if the

    Planet 1 station was on, it will say, 'Planet 1 for Base 1

    receiving', and we had selected frequencies and sometimes

    they will just say, 'Let's get there' or sometimes they

    will say, 'Let's proceed', because we knew a particular

    frequency that was a secret frequency between

    Sam Bockarie's operators and Base 1 operators.

    So whenever they came on and said, 'Base 1 for Planet 1' if

    Planet 1 was on, Planet 1 will say, 'Planet 1 receiving

    from Base 1'. They will either say, 'Let's get there' or,

    'Let's proceed'".

    Madam President, I'm afraid that the time might be up and we'll have to come back.

  • Very well. We will come back. We will take a break until half past 11.

  • [Break taken at 11.02 a.m.]

  • [Upon resuming at 11.32 a.m.]

  • Mr Anyah, please continue.

  • Thank you, Madam President.

  • Good morning, Mr Witness.

  • Before Court adjourned for the 30-minute break, I had read to you a transcript from 8 September 2008, starting at page number 15650 to 15651. This is the evidence of the Prosecution witness TF1-585. And that witness was describing for the Court the manner in which Planet 1 communicated with Base 1, and I read to you some of that description that was provided by the witness. In particular, the witness said - this is at page 15651 - that "we knew a particular frequency that was a secret frequency between Sam Bockarie's operators and Base 1 operators."

    Mr Witness, the frequency that was used to communicate between Base 1 and Planet 1 - and correct me if I use the singular frequencies if there were more than one frequencies; correct me - but whatever frequency or frequencies was used, was it, to your knowledge, a secret frequency?

  • Yes. There was a secret frequency provided by Bravo Zulu 4 to be used between Bravo Zulu 4 and Base 1 without the knowledge of other RUF operators.

  • You have referred to Bravo Zulu 4. The witness who was testifying was referring to Planet 1. Now, when the station in Buedu was called Planet 1, because you've told us at some point in time it was also called Planet 1, was the frequency or frequencies that were used to communicate between Planet 1 and Base 1 secret?

  • Beside the general frequency of the RUF, there were other frequencies that were exclusively used by Bravo Zulu 4 and Base 1.

  • Thank you. Let's continue with the transcript, 8 September, page 15651. Starting at line number 12, the question was posed to the witness:

    "Well, the Base 1 station" --

    Well, the witness was answering:

    "A. Well, the Base 1 station would come on to the RUF

    national base and they would call Planet 1.

    Q. And then what would happen?

    A. And if Planet 1 was on or monitoring, they will just

    say, 'Let's get there' or, 'Let's proceed.' Then they will

    go to the secret frequency that both operators knew so they

    will discuss whatever they wanted to discuss.

    Q. Now was it usually only the operators who talked to

    each other, the operators from Base 1 and the operators

    from Planet 1 during communications? Was it only these two

    people that talked to each other?

    A. No. Sometimes when they said that they would ask for

    us to report to our father, that is Sam Bockarie, and if

    Sam Bockarie was around, we will tell them that he is

    around, and they will say that their father wanted to get

    on to our father, and that meant that Benjamin Yeaten

    wanted to get in touch with Sam Bockarie so that they would

    go ahead and we will switch over to the secret frequency

    and they will start discussing. If there was anything" -

    and we go over to the next page, page 15652 - "If there was

    anything very important that they wouldn't need to discuss

    on that particular net, Benjamin Yeaten would instruct

    Sam Bockarie to put on the 21."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, TF1-585 continued to describe the modalities or manner of communication between Base 1 and Planet 1. During your time at Base 1, was Benjamin Yeaten, to your knowledge, ever referred to as Father on the radio?

  • Not to my knowledge. He was not referred to as Father or on the radio, nor was he referred to as Father by any of his bodyguards in Liberia.

  • How about Sam Bockarie? Was it the practice during communication between Base 1 and Planet 1 to refer to Sam Bockarie as Father?

  • No. Like I said yesterday, what I observed from Base 1 was that Sam Bockarie was referred to on the radio communication between Base 1 and Bravo Zulu 4 as Subject or Master, but most times Subject.

  • Well, you have now said Bravo Zulu 4 and we understand your answer, because you consistently refer to it as Bravo Zulu 4 although you said it was also Planet 1. Bearing in mind that this witness referred to it as Planet 1, when you give your answer can you indicate whether you are talking about Bravo Zulu 4, Planet 1 or something else.

    Now, forgetting how the operators in Base 1 referred to Sam Bockarie, the focus now is on communications with Sierra Leone. Do you know whether the operators from the Sierra Leonean side, from Buedu, or from Planet 1, referred to Sam Bockarie as "our father" when they communicated with Base 1?

  • I don't know that.

  • When you say you do not know, does that mean it never happened?

  • It never happened.

  • Was there ever an occasion when Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten spoke on the radio or discussed something on the radio, as this witness has described? The witness said that Benjamin Yeaten, after indicating that he wanted to get in touch with Sam Bockarie, so they would go ahead and we will switch over to the secret frequency and they will start discussing. Do you recall such an occurrence happening?

  • Benjamin Yeaten and Sam Bockarie, to my knowledge, never spoke to each other on the radio.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we please go to page 15719 of the same day's transcript, 8 September 2008, starting at line number 4. Mr Witness, this is the same witness that was testifying. The question is posed:

    "Q. Do you recall whether anything happened - was there any

    reaction from Sam Bockarie after the troops entered

    Freetown?

    A. Yes, he came on the media and said he was a man of his

    word, he had given three days that his men would enter

    Freetown and indeed they had entered Freetown.

    Q. When you say he came on the media --

    A. Sam Bockarie came up and spoke.

    Q. -- what media are you referring to?

    A. I mean BBC. He came up again and spoke and said he was

    a man of his words. He had said that within three days'

    time his men would enter Freetown and indeed they had

    entered Freetown.

    Q. How did you know this?

    A. Well, he put the satellite in the verandah. It was

    there he said this, happily. The place was full of people.

    Everybody was dancing around.

    Q. When you say 'satellite', what are you referring to?

    A. I mean the satellite phone.

    Q. Do you recall any communication that went on between

    Sam Bockarie and anybody else during the course of the -

    during the times that these troops had entered Freetown.

    A. Yes. Just after the announcement over the BBC we got a

    call from Base 1, which was Benjamin Yeaten's radio

    station, called Sam Bockarie's radio station, that is

    Planet 1, and the operator inquired if that news that they

    had got from the BBC was correct, that Sam Bockarie's

    troops had entered Freetown. The operator responded

    happily, saying yes, and they asked for Sam Bockarie.

    Q. Can I ask you to indicate which operator was responding

    to whose call or whose questions?

    A. Well, the radio operator at Benjamin Yeaten was called

    Sunlight and was the one who called Sam Bockarie's radio

    station to the operator who was on duty that day. I cannot

    recall the name now.

    Q. And you said that the operator answered or responded?

    A. Yes, he responded happily, saying yes, they had entered

    Freetown.

    Q. Did anything happen after that?

    A. Yes, they asked for Planet 1 and that was Sam Bockarie,

    if he was around, and the operator said yes, so the

    operator said 50, which was Benjamin Yeaten, wanted to talk

    to Sam Bockarie.

    Q. Which operator said they wanted to talk to

    Sam Bockarie?

    A. Benjamin Yeaten's operator, who was called Sunlight,

    said his father, who was 50, Benjamin Yeaten, wanted to

    talk to our father and that was Sam Bockarie."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, this witness told the Court that after Sam Bockarie's troops had entered Freetown that, first of all, Sam Bockarie went on the BBC, said that he was a man of his words, that he had said that within three days' time his men would enter Freetown, and indeed they had entered Freetown, and that Sam Bockarie put the satellite phone on the verandah, people were there, everybody was dancing. Then the witness went on to say that just after the announcement over the BBC there was a call from Base 1 to Planet 1, the call was from Sunlight, Benjamin Yeaten's operator, who inquired if the news on the BBC was correct that Sam Bockarie's troops had entered Freetown.

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, are you aware of any of these events: Sunlight calling Sam Bockarie's radio, Planet 1, to ask whether information heard on the BBC was correct? Did this happen?

  • It is not to my knowledge. It never happened. Sunlight, when I was there, did not call Planet 1 to inquire or to ascertain information from any RUF station or Planet 1 regarding the BBC information.

  • The witness in question doesn't give us the name of the operator for Sam Bockarie's radio at that time, but they give us the name Sunlight from Benjamin Yeaten's radio. And the witness went on to say that Sunlight asked whether Sam Bockarie was around and then said that his father, who was 50, wanted to talk to their father, which was Sam Bockarie.

    Do you recall whether any of this happened, Mr Witness: Troops entering Freetown, specifically Sam Bockarie's troops; there being jubilation, celebration; Sunlight calling Planet 1 and asking where Sam Bockarie was and saying that his father wanted to speak to their father, Sam Bockarie? Did that happen?

  • No.

  • Let's continues on the same page. We stopped at line 23:

    "Q. Madam Witness, how did you know this?

    A. Well, on that day, after the jubilation, I knew because

    the place was full of people. The verandah was in a

    verandah. When that thing occurred that day, the place was

    full. During the jubilation I too went to the radio room.

    I heard the operator asking.

    Q. Just to clarify the last answer you gave" - the lawyer then reads to the witness seeking clarification and then the witness said, this is in regards to the verandah:

    "A. No, I said Sam Bockarie was in the verandah and the

    radio set - where the radio set was, Planet 1, it was in

    Issa Sesay's verandah opposite Sam Bockarie's verandah.

    There is a street in between them. The place was packed

    full with people. There were soldiers there, civilians, a

    lot of people jubilating. Everybody was there. That was

    why I too came to the place and I saw Sam Bockarie and -

    sorry, I heard Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten talking on

    the phone.

    Q. Madam Witness, you said that there were many people

    there and it was full and they were jubilating. Why were

    they jubilating?

    A. Because of the recapture of Freetown, their entry into

    the Freetown, the entry of the rebels into Freetown.

    Q. Do you know whether any communication took place

    between Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten?

    A. Yes, as I had said earlier after the operator had asked

    for our own father, that was Sam Bockarie, that 50 wanted

    to talk to him, they called him, Sam Bockarie, and

    Sam Bockarie - 50 asked Sam Bockarie if the news which he

    had heard over the BBC was correct. Sam Bockarie replied

    joyously and he said yes, and 50 congratulated him and

    he said, 'If that was is the case, then I will be there in

    two weeks' time and my father would want to talk to you,'

    and he instructed him to switch on the satellite phone."

    First pause. Mr Witness, you follow what is happening? There is jubilation, there are many people present, the jubilation was because the rebels had entered into Freetown. This witness then says that the radio set Planet 1 was in Issa Sesay's verandah, opposite Sam Bockarie's verandah.

    First question, Mr Witness: The radio set Planet 1, to your knowledge, was it a mobile radio station?

  • To my knowledge the radio Planet 1 was not a mobile station because I was told by Jungle that this radio was in Buedu, that it was Sam Bockarie's radio in Buedu. So I don't know whether it was a mobile station. I don't have an idea about that.

  • Do you know whether the radio Planet 1 - when I speak of Planet 1, I am of course including Bravo Zulu 4, so correct me if your prior response doesn't apply to Bravo Zulu 4. Does it also apply to Bravo Zulu 4 when I asked about the mobility of the radio?

  • Yes, because Planet 1 is the same as Bravo Zulu 4. Those two call signs were used with regards to Sam Bockarie's radio in Buedu.

  • Excuse me, Mr Anyah, I seek clarification because the witness's answer was, in my view, contradictory inherently. When you asked him whether Planet 1 was a mobile radio station, he first said, "Planet 1 was not a mobile station because I was told by Jungle that the radio was in Buedu." And then in the same breath he says, "I don't know whether it was a mobile station. I have no idea about that."

    Now, Mr Witness, what exactly is your answer?

  • My answer is that I don't have knowledge as to whether that radio could be removed from one point to the other but what I knew was that this radio was Sam Bockarie's personal radio with him in Buedu.

  • Madam President, I wonder if that answers your Honour?

  • I suppose the witness's answer is - to your question, is "I don't know", would I be correct?

  • Yes. The answer is that I don't know whether it was a mobile radio.

  • Thank you.

  • But what were you told about the location of that radio, Planet 1 or Bravo Zulu 4?

  • I was told that this radio was in Buedu and that it belonged to Sam Bockarie.

  • Were you ever told that that radio belonged to Issa Sesay?

  • Now, you heard what I read. The witness said that she heard Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten talking on the phone. The witness went on to say that Sam Bockarie replied joyously and he said yes, and 50 congratulated him, and 50 said that, "If that is the case, then I will be there in two weeks' time and my father will want to talk to you."

    Who was 50's father, Mr Witness?

  • I knew 50's father to be old man Yeaten and Yeaten is not living, so I don't know who they are talking about.

  • Are you aware of Benjamin Yeaten ever calling Sam Bockarie to congratulate Sam Bockarie on the occasion of Sam Bockarie's troops entering Freetown?

  • I am not aware of that.

  • Well, let's continue the question --

  • And, furthermore, the witness mentioned that this congratulations - congratulatory expressions were made on the radio and again I am saying that from the time I was at 50's house, which is Base 1, when Sunlight and Dew were operating there on the radio or even during the time of Base 1 radio communications, 50 never spoke to Sam Bockarie on the radio. Fifty never spoke to anybody, even within the Government of Liberia, he never spoke to anybody on the radio, be it family issues, be it government issues, he never did that.

  • Indeed, the next series of questions will make clear whether the witness was speaking about the telephone or radio because, on this page, the witness says they spoke on the telephone, that the witness heard somebody and Benjamin Yeaten talking on the phone.

    At line 28 a question is asked:

    "Q. Madam Witness, were you privy to this communication

    between Sam Bockarie and Benjamin Yeaten?"

    Over to the next page:

    "A. Yes."

    Then Justice Sebutinde asked the question:

    "Which of the two communications, the one on the satellite

    phone or the one on the ordinary radio?"

    Answer by the witness, at line 6:

    "A. It was the one on the radio that I heard. After he

    had asked him if it was true that his men had entered

    Freetown and he said 'yes' happily, Benjamin Yeaten

    congratulated Sam Bockarie and he instructed him to put the

    2-1 on, that was the satellite phone, and told him that his

    father would want to talk to him and if that was the case,

    then he should expect him in two days' time."

    Then there is a question at line 16:

    "Q. Who should expect who in two days' time?

    A. Sam Bockarie was to expect Benjamin Yeaten in two days'

    time.

    Q. Who said this to who?

    A. Benjamin Yeaten spoke to Sam Bockarie that if it was

    true that his men had entered into Freetown, Sam Bockarie

    should expect him, Benjamin Yeaten, in two days' time.

    Q. Expect him where?

    A. In Buedu within two days' time."

    Just pause. Mr Witness, apparently, this was said over the radio and TF1-585 heard all of this being said over the radio. And TF1-585 said that Benjamin Yeaten said Sam Bockarie should expect him in Buedu in two days' time, if the news was true. Are you aware of Benjamin Yeaten taking any trip to Buedu, period, when you were assigned at Base 1?

  • I am not aware of Yeaten making the trip to Buedu during the time I was there.

  • Was there a time when Yeaten took off for Buedu shortly after speaking to Sam Bockarie on the radio, as far as you can recall?

  • As far as I remember, Benjamin Yeaten and Sam Bockarie never spoke to each other on the radio and, furthermore, I am not aware of Benjamin Yeaten making a trip to Buedu.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now that's all I have for TF1-585. I want to go back to something that you said yesterday, because a question arose this morning, Justice Lussick had asked you a question about whether you had seen the President of Liberia before. Yes?

  • Excuse me please, can I use the rest room?

  • Yes, indeed, the witness may be shown out.

  • [In the absence of the witness]

  • Mr Anyah, I did not ask the witness whether he had seen the President before. I was referring him to his own evidence that he had never seen the President while he was - while he, the witness, was stationed in the Executive Mansion.

  • Yes, your Honour, I was going to ask that the transcript from yesterday be pulled up and also to look at the LiveNote to quote your question more precisely, but I appreciate the distinction, and I will quote your Honour's question more precisely.

  • [In the presence of the witness]

  • Mr Witness, I want to go back to a question that was posed by Justice Lussick to you this morning. It is at page 23 of my LiveNote, from lines 1 to 5, and I use a 14 point font. The question was:

    "Q. Mr Witness, yesterday you told us that in all the time

    you served in the Executive Mansion, you never even got to

    see the President. So how would you know who he saw and

    who he didn't see?"

    Now, let's look at what you told us yesterday, because I have a question about you and whether or not you saw the President of Liberia.

    At yesterday's transcript, 31 August 2010, at page 47525. That's 47525. Mr Witness, I asked you a number of questions about access to the President and I went on to say:

    "Q. At the time you were at the Executive Mansion can you

    tell us, for example, how many times you, Mr Witness, saw

    the President of Liberia at the mansion?"

    And then you gave this response, at line 4:

    "A. During the time that I was assigned to the mansion, I

    never had the opportunity to see the President because he

    was very far away from us, the radio operators. We may

    sometimes have the privilege to see his convoy from the

    window of our office, but we were a distance away from the

    Presidents - the President."

    Now, Mr Witness, in the entire period of time when you were in Monrovia, from 1997 until 2003, did you ever see the President of Liberia face-to-face?

  • Yes.

  • This was in 2003. This was in 2003, when LURD had taken over almost the entire Lofa and Gbarpolu, and LURD was now occupying Bomi. Before the LURD occupation of the entire Lofa, the Jungle Fire had men in an area called Vahun, and they were driven from Vahun, and for over a long period of time they did not know their location because they were missing in action. And then in late - almost going towards the period of the ceasefire in 2003, they called. They called Base 1 from an area called Camp Israel. So when they called Base 1 from an area called Camp Israel and said they were in Israel, their commander called and said that they were in Israel, that is the batch of Jungle Fire that were missing in action, they are the ones I was talking about. They called that they were in Camp Israel and that they had run out of food and they had run out of footwears because they had been running through the bushes and they did not have footwears. So when that happened, Sunlight informed Benjamin Yeaten that, "Oh, our men have resurfaced at Camp Israel." So Benjamin Yeaten then asked, "Say, how can we get over to you people?" Because Bomi hills, which is Tubmanburg, was occupied by LURD and there was no ground route - there was no ground routes to go to them. After all, Benjamin Yeaten came back and said that the government wants to send food and communication to those people. That is a Thuraya for the commander. But Israel was not on the map that the ATU chopper pilot was using. So Sunlight put in place a kind of a strategy through which the pilot could locate those people. There was a logging camp called Anthen - called, it is either Athen or Anthen. I don't know what language is that, but that is how it is called. Okay. Anthen was on the map, and the pilot knew Anthen but did not know Camp Israel. So after Sunlight had discussed with the commander in the bush and they had all arranged the strategy through which those people could be located, Ben then said that, "Okay. The government wants to send you food supply and communication, and that since you have discussed with them, it is better that you go with them and deliver this Thuraya phone to the commander, then teach him how to use the Thuraya phone." That was the time Sunlight was taken - I mean, I was taken out too, after the conversation between Sunlight and Benjamin Yeaten, because I was there, I knew it, so I went along, and that was when I saw the President face-to-face since he took power as a President. But this was the time I saw the President face-to-face at - I do not know how they call it - at White Flower, at White Flower. So he then asked me about the mechanism that has been put in place. I explained to him, and then he allowed me to go with the Thuraya phone. And that was the time that I ever saw the President of the Republic of Liberia after the election face-to-face.

  • What was the name of the logging camp again? Can you spell it for us, if you know?

  • Yes, sir. Let me try. Anthen, I think it is A-N-T - I think - H-E-N, A-N-T-H-E-N, Anthen, something like that, but I stand to be corrected.

  • And what year was this again when you saw - let me finish the question please. What year again was it when you say you saw the President for the first time since his ascendancy into office?

  • I said 2003, 2003, close to the ceasefire when ECOMOG moved to Liberia. Not ECOMOG. It was ECOMIL at the time before it was turned to UNMIL, the first advance force that led, I don't know if it was from Nigeria, but it was in 2003.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. That's all I have about that.

  • For the record, the witness referred to ECOMIL, that is the acronym E-C-O-M-I-L . And he said before it turned to UNMIL. That is the acronym U-N-M-I-L.

  • Thank you, Madam President, for that observation.

  • Now, may we continue with the transcripts of evidence given by Prosecution witnesses. May we go to the transcript of 12 September 2008, starting at page 16126. That's 12 September 2008, page 16126, starting at line number 17.

  • Incidentally, Thuraya phone, the spelling of Thuraya is already on the record.

  • Mr Witness, listen to this. This is another Prosecution witness's evidence. The name of the witness is Mohamed Bereteh Kabbah, TF1-568. This witness also went by the code name of Tourist, T-O-U-R-I-S-T, Tourist.

    Now, Mr Witness, the question was asked of Mr Kabbah:

    "Q. Now, how long did you remain in Buedu for?

    A. I was in Buedu up to the time Sam Bockarie left for

    Liberia."

    Mr Witness, you now have an idea of the time frame. This witness is saying they remained in Buedu through the time when Sam Bockarie left for Liberia.

    Continuing, the question at line 20:

    "Q. And did you have any particular assignment in Buedu

    during this time?

    A. Yes. When we went to Buedu after the commander, the

    overall signal commander died in Liberia, Sam Bockarie

    appointed me as the overall signal unit commander for the

    RUF/SL.

    Q. Do you know when Sam Bockarie left for Liberia? What

    time are you referring to?

    A. That was in December 1999.

    Q. And you said you were appointed as overall signal unit

    commander for the RUF/SL when the overall commander, signal

    commander, died in Liberia. Who are you referring to?"

    We are now at the following page, line 2:

    "A. CO Sellay.

    Q. Do you know approximately when he died?

    A. That was after we had come and based in Buedu. When

    the LURD rebels came to Foya to fight there, that was the

    time he died."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, do you know somebody called Mohamed Kabbah?

  • I don't know that name, Mohamed Kabbah.

  • Do you know somebody called Tourist?

  • No, I don't remember that name Tourist. I don't know Tourist.

  • During the time when there was communication between Base 1 and Planet 1/Bravo Zulu 4, was there ever a radio operator on the Sierra Leonean side with the code name Tourist, to your knowledge?

  • Who do you say took over from CO Sellay, or Sellay, as you knew him, when Sellay died?

  • When Sellay died, it was Daf, Daf, who later I realised that his name was - it was later revealed that his name was Dauda Fornie here.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Let's continue, same page, 16127, line 20:

    "Q. Now, can you describe generally the situation in terms

    of radio operations during this time period?

    A. Yes. After we had retreated and whilst we were now in

    Buedu, we used to communicate to the various front lines,

    and even to Liberia, we used to communicate, because we had

    a radio station, Base 1, in Monrovia, and we operated with

    Sunlight, who was at Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground. He

    used to communicate with us.

    Q. First of all, how many radio operators were working in

    Buedu during this time, approximately how many radio

    operators?"

    We are over at the next page. They asked the witness how many radio operators during the time period when the witness was based in Buedu:

    "A. At the time I was in Buedu, we had about three radio

    stations: We had Planet 1, that was the mobile station for

    Sam Bockarie; we had Marvel that I was in charge of and it

    was also mounted in a vehicle; and the third one was the

    welfare station, which was Lemon, or Mike November, which

    was stationed at the court barri. That was the welfare

    station where the commanders and the other soldiers who had

    their husbands at the front line, when they wanted to speak

    with them, that was where they went to. Those were the

    three stations we had."

  • Mr Anyah, it was Lemon, Mike November 5. You said Mike November.

  • Yes, the testifying witness said it was:

    "Lemon or Mike November 5 which was stationed at the court barri. That was the welfare station where the commanders and the other soldiers who had their husbands at the front line, when they wanted to speak with them, that was where they went to. Those were the three stations we had."

  • Mr Witness, are you following?

  • Planet 1, Marvel, and the third one being Lemon, also known as Mike November 5. Continuing at line 11:

    "A. And the operators who were at those three stations, I

    can recall some of their names, like in the case of Mike

    November 5, it was Agama, and there was another boy that we

    used to call Generation, and there was Cool Rebel. They

    were at the welfare station. And in the case of Marvel 1 -

    in the case of Marvel, I was there, Zedman was there,

    because that was a station that the other stations used to

    interact with because we were the senior man and we manned

    the station. At Planet 1, we had Tiger, who was there,

    Pascal, and we had Seibatu, but Seibatu's operation was not

    that much effective because she would always be at the

    kitchen with Mosquito's wife. Her operation was not that

    much effective, but she was still an operator.

    Q. Now, you referred to a welfare station and you referred

    to it as Lemon or Mike November 5. Which one was it?

    A. That was the call sign that the station had. At first

    - in fact, we used to change the call signs. A certain

    time would come that, if we know that the enemies had known

    that so-and-so station was based in a particular area, we

    would also change the name of those stations. That was how

    we came to get that call sign name for that station."

    We are now at the next page:

    "Q. So are you saying that this particular station's name

    changed?

    A. Yes.

    Q. And, if you remember, which name was it first and which

    name did it change to it?

    A. At first it was Lemon, and later it became Mike

    November 5."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, Mohamed Kabbah said a lot here and let's start with the first page I read - well, the second page I read, page 16127. Kabbah said there at line 23:

    "And even to Liberia we used to communicate because we had a radio station, Base 1, in Monrovia and we operated it with Sunlight who was at Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground. He used to communicate with us."

    Now, you heard the reference there to Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground. To your knowledge, Mr Witness, was, let's start with the radio station with call sign Base 1, ever located at Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground, wherever that may be?

  • No.

  • How about the operator Sunlight? To your knowledge did that operator Sunlight ever work out of Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground?

  • Please can you take me to that question.

  • Yes. This witness has referred to a place called Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground. The witness says it was during the time period when the RUF was in Buedu. The witness has told us how he assumed the position of overall signal commander for the RUF/SL after Sellay died.

    Now, are you aware of operator Sunlight working out of a place called Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground during the time period when Base 1 was in communication with Buedu?

  • No. And, again, I do not know an area that is called Charles Taylor's Mansion Ground.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. On the following page, ending with 28, you heard the witness indicate that there were three radio stations that they had in Buedu at that time: One the witness said was Planet 1 and this was the mobile station for Sam Bockarie. Do you remember us discussing the issue of whether Planet 1 was a mobile or fixed based radio? Do you recall that?

  • Yes. Yes.

  • And then the witness mentions another radio station called Marvel, that the witness says he was in charge of and that it was also mounted in a vehicle. Mr Witness, are you aware of any radio stations that were in Buedu with the call sign Marvel?

  • The witness went on to say about Marvel that that station was sort of senior to the other stations. The words used by the witness were, "Other stations used to interact with it because we were the senior man and we manned the station." That is the radio station Marvel. And the "we" there was the witness Mohamed Kabbah and somebody called Zedman.

    Now, Mr Witness, this witness is suggesting that Marvel, mounted in a vehicle, was the important station there - well, the senior station there. While you were at Base 1, was there ever communication between Base 1 and a radio mounted in a vehicle in Buedu with the call sign Marvel?

  • No.

  • Do you know who Zedman is?

  • Yes. I heard the name Zedman but I don't know who Zedman is.

  • Was there ever communication between Base 1 and a radio operator in Buedu called Zedman?

  • There was a radio communication from Base 1 with Zedman but I did not know where Zedman was calling from, but Zedman and Memunatu Deen - I was present once when Memunatu Deen was communicating with Zedman and she said that Zedman was her boyfriend's friend, that is Tolo, he was Tolo's friend, and they were discussing issues concerning Tolo and Memunatu's relationship.

  • Do you know the real name of Zedman?

  • No. I only heard Zedman.

  • Apart from this instance, this example when Zedman and Memunatu were discussing Memunatu's private relationship with Osman Tolo, was there ever another occasion when there was communication between Base 1 and Zedman?

  • I do not remember, but what I noticed concerning some of the operators was that whenever there was a call from Base 1 to Planet 1 or to Bravo Zulu 4, that means whenever Base 1 wanted to get in touch with Buedu, Sam Bockarie's radio to be specific, okay, some of these guys will come on the net and say I'm operator so and so, without indicating where they were calling from, and will say they've come up to help Base 1 and connecting Base 1 with Bravo Zulu 4. You know, sometimes Bravo Zulu 4 will be on another frequency that Base 1 did not know. And so these guys will call and then bring Bravo Zulu 4 on the frequency or on their national frequency or the general frequency. That was how I got to know some of these names.

  • Besides assisting Base 1 to get in touch with Bravo Zulu 4, was there any substantive exchange of information, or exchange of substantive information, between the radio operators at Base 1 and these various radio operators elsewhere that would come on the net to assist Base 1 get in contact with Planet 1 or Bravo Zulu 4?

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Mohamed Kabbah mentions a third radio station in Buedu, the name being Lemon or Mike November 5. He went on to specify that it was first called Lemon and then later it took the name Mike November 5.

    Mr Witness, are you familiar with either call sign, Lemon or Mike November 5?

  • When I was at Base 1, when Dew and Sunlight were operating and sometimes communicating with Bravo Zulu 4, I did not hear the name or call sign that has been named, Mike November what, or what, I don't know. It's not to my knowledge.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we go to the next page, page 16129, the bottom of the page, line 29. The question asked of Mr Kabbah:

    "Q. You said Marvel and Planet were both in Buedu. Is that

    correct?"

    We are now over to page 16130:

    "A. Yes. Both stations were in Buedu. In the morning

    Marvel was the ground station, by that I mean the base

    station for Buedu, and Planet 1 was Sam Bockarie's mobile

    station. It was mounted in a vehicle. And once

    Sam Bockarie was on the ground he was the commander. We

    would always be with him and at any time we received

    situation reports in the morning from the various stations,

    at the time the operators at Planet 1 would be there and I

    and Zedman would be at Marvel to monitor what the situation

    report was. We would go to the ground. All of us would go

    there. We would sit with Sam Bockarie. At times we would

    take Marvel to a house going towards Foya, it was something

    like a hut, because we used to get threat from the jet and

    we used that hut to install the radio. That was where we

    used to work.

    Q. So when you received a threat from the jet, which radio

    would you take to this hut?

    A. During those times when the jets persistently disturbed

    us we used to get calls from Sunlight from Monrovia at any

    time the jet wanted to move, because by then the ECOMOG

    base was in Liberia and the jets will move from Monrovia

    and at any time the jet will move from Monrovia he will

    tell us that the 448 or the iron bird is coming - is moving

    from Monrovia and so we would inform all our stations to be

    alert."

    And then there is a question at line 27:

    "Q. And what's a 448, Mr Witness?

    A. That is the jet, the iron bird."

    Now, Mr Witness, you have heard what I have red. Mohamed Kabbah first says that in the mornings Marvel would be a ground station, a base station for Buedu, and Planet 1 was Sam Bockarie's mobile station mounted in a vehicle. And then he goes on to say that when there would be persistent bombardment from the jets they would move Marvel to a little hut, that is to a house going towards Foya, and that they would also receive calls from Sunlight from Monrovia at any time the jet wanted to move.

    Mr Witness, while were you at Base 1 were there ECOMOG jets in the city of Monrovia that were making flights into Sierra Leone, to your knowledge?

  • No, and I want to comment on a few things here.

  • Okay. I will first begin with the code mentioned, 448, and that of iron bird as he said, as the witness referred to the ECOMOG jet. First of all, I do not know the code 448 to be a reference to an ECOMOG jet. In our communication, I mean the Government of Liberia, we do not have a code like that. And when Base 1 was operating with Buedu, there was no communication concerning a jet. In our communication, in the Government of Liberia VHF communication code, we do not use the code 448 to refer to a plane or an ECOMOG jet. We had our own code that represented a plane as a whole, essentially an enemy plane, and that code was 15-2. Because 15-7 was referred to as an enemy, and 15-2 was a plane, an enemy plane. Okay. Then the term "iron bird", during the NPFL days when an ECOMOG - when ECOMOG was carrying out air raids against the NPFL, okay, there was a code --

  • Please continue.

  • Okay, the NPFL radio communication used the word "iron bird" to refer to a plane but this was not expedient because it could reveal the meaning. When you say an iron bird it could reveal the meaning of what you are referring to. Later it was changed. Later - I mean, when we got into the government, the entire code was cancelled. The term "iron bird" was cancelled and we used our a new code that was provided, that is, 15-2, referring to an enemy jet. So the code 440 or 449, I don't know, with respect to an iron bird, that's the comment.

    Now, the question of information from Base 1 or from Sunlight to the RUF, in terms of information about jets. Okay, Base 1 was situated in Congo Town in Monrovia. The Roberts International Airport, where ECOMOG planes were, is far away from Base 1, where in Margibi County. The next airfield, which is at the James Spriggs Field Airport in Sinkor is far away from Base 1. Base 1 did not have any knowledge of a movement of a plane, be it an ECOMOG jet or a commercial plane that flies. Yes, we could see or hear planes overhead in the air, but we did not know where it was coming from or where it was going. So there was no time that communication ever came from Base 1 to the RUF in relation to the movement of a plane.

  • Mr Witness, in terms of kilometres, how far is Roberts International Airport from Congo Town?

  • Let me guess, from Roberts Field to Congo Town, maybe 15 to 20 kilometres. I'm just guessing.

  • Mr Witness, if you drove the distance between the two, I ask you this because the last time you gave us an estimate with kilometres it was the distance between White Flower and Benjamin Yeaten's house and you said something like one quarter mile or something to that effect. But let's disregard that now.

  • Yes. I said metre.

  • Yes, you said one quarter metres or something to that effect, but let me ask you this: If someone were to drive from Base 1 in Congo Town in Monrovia, in Montserrado County, all the way to Roberts International Airfield or airport in Margibi County, Liberia, how long would it take them, if you drove a car?

  • It would be close to an hour. I can remember that I drove - I rode with Yeaten from Congo Town to the RIA, it took about forty minutes and he was at breakneck speed, 40 minutes. On a normal driving it would take you an hour or an hour plus.

  • What if you were to walk on foot, how long would it take you to go from Base 1 in Congo Town to Roberts International Airport in Margibi County?

  • Almost a whole day walk, and it depends on the physical strength of that person, but it would take you a whole day's walk. Then if the person was not physically fit, he would walk one and a half days.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness.

  • One and a half days to walk 15 kilometres? Really?

  • Yes, your Honour. I said I was guessing. I do not know the actual kilometres or distance. What I know was that it took me - it took me 40 minutes when I rode with Benjamin Yeaten from Congo Town to RIA. Forty minutes and on excessive speed.

  • And you mean for all your stay in Liberia you do not know the distance between Congo Town and RIA? You do not know the distance in terms of kilometres?

  • Yes, your Honour, because the distance in between from - in between one point and another is not only measured or posted on a sign board that you can see, you see. It is not posted on a sign board on the highway.

  • I just wanted to ask: Was it possible for somebody at RIA to get in touch with Base 1, either by radio or telephone?

  • Yes. There was radio at RIA. They had a communication set at RIA. It was possible.

  • Mr Witness, was there ever an occasion when a radio operator of the Government of Liberia, stationed at RIA, radioed or called other radio operators based at Base 1 to tell them that an ECOMOG jet had just taken off from RIA?

  • Basically, you understand what I'm asking. Were there times when operators at RIA would alert Government of Liberia operators at Base 1 that ECOMOG jets had taken off from RIA and were headed towards Sierra Leone? Are you aware of that sort of event taking place?

  • To my knowledge, at no time did a Base 1 operator receive information from an RIA operator concerning a jet.

  • To your knowledge, were the operators who were based at RIA, aware of this communication that was going on between Base 1 and Buedu, Planet 1/Bravo Zulu 4?

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we go to page 1613 of the same day's transcript, please, starting at line 23. Mr Witness, this is still Mohamed Kabbah's evidence. A question was asked of him:

    "Q. Now if there was, if you were communicating every day

    but if there was no particular attack or operation would

    you communicate about anything else?

    A. Communications went on from our front lines and also we

    communicated with Liberia. At times, when they had attacks

    they would call to us - the brother would call us, that is,

    Sunlight, or from Base 1 where Tolo and others were. That

    was the RUF station which was based at Pa Musa's place.

    They also would call us and tell us so that we would also

    tell Sam Bockarie about it. A typical example of that was

    when the LURD forces came to Foya, Kolahun and Voinjama we

    assembled a reinforcement and then we went there."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, Mohamed Kabbah was trying to tell the Court that whenever they had attacks they would call us, the brother would call us, that is Sunlight, or from Base 1 where Tolo and others were. The witness went on to say: "That was the RUF station which was based at Pa Musa's place."

    Mr Witness, let's try and understand this. Was Osman Tolo ever assigned to Base 1?

  • Osman Tolo was never assigned to Base 1.

  • How about somebody with just the name Tolo, was there ever a time when there was an operator called Tolo at Base 1?

  • There was no operator at Base 1 called Tolo.

  • Was Base 1 the RUF station which was based at Pa Musa's place?

  • I don't know whether - at Pa Musa's place, I don't know which Musa they are referring to as Pa Musa. I don't know of another station in Liberia belonging to the RUF or even the Government of Liberia with the call sign Base 1, with the exception of Base 1 at Yeaten's house.

  • We appreciate the fact that you don't know which Pa Musa is being referred to, but let's just say, Musa Cisse. Was Base 1 a radio station based at Pa Musa - at Musa Cisse's place?

  • Were there ever occasions when calls would be made to RUF - to the RUF by Sunlight during the time LURD was attacking Liberia to ask for reinforcement from the RUF?

  • There was no time that Sunlight ever called the RUF to request for manpower from them.

  • Was there ever a transmittal of a message to Sam Bockarie where LURD forces came to Foya, Kolahun and Voinjama seeking reinforcement from Sam Bockarie?

  • At no time was there a communication from Base 1 to Sam Bockarie requesting manpower.

  • Let's continue at line 19 on that same page, another question to Mr Kabbah. It says:

    "Q. As a general matter, describe what was going on in

    terms of the communication between Buedu and Liberia.

    A. A communication was a daily free-flow activity that

    took place between the RUF and the NPFL, so at the time we

    were in Buedu if, for any reason, Sam Bockarie wanted to

    talk to Charles Taylor, and at that time Sam Bockarie had

    visited Monrovia and he had a satellite phone - because by

    then his own dialogues were not conducted through the VHF.

    He used his satellite phone. He would tell us to tell

    Sunlight" - listen to this now, Mr Witness - "He would tell

    us to tell Sunlight to tell Charles Taylor that he should

    put on his 2-1 so that he would talk with him, and" - over to the next page - "Equally so when Charles Taylor wanted to talk

    with Mosquito, Sunlight will call us and tell us that, 'The

    Pa wants to talk to your own Pa'. So that was the kind of

    communication that took place between us and, if there was

    any threat of enemy attack, he would send the same message

    to us at Buedu."

    Question to the witness:

    "Q. Just describe who you are talking about when you are

    referring to he.

    A. Sam Bockarie would say, 'Our father wants to talk to

    your father', that means we were talking to Sunlight.

    Q. Where was Sunlight?

    A. Sunlight was at the Mansion Ground in Monrovia.

    Q. How do you know that?

    A. The operators who moved with Sam Bockarie and Issa at

    the times they visited Monrovia, they were located at that

    particular area - they located that particular area. They

    said that was where it was based, because I never went to

    Monrovia."

    Let's pause. Do you remember telling us that during Sam Bockarie's second visit to Liberia in late 1998, you saw him with the satellite phone?

  • Did you say May?

  • I said in late 1998.

  • Because the interpreter said "May." Yes, I said that.

  • Well, this witness is speaking about a time when Sam Bockarie had visited Monrovia and he had a satellite phone, and the witness speaks of communication between the RUF and the NPFL. Mr Witness, was the NPFL in existence as an entity in 1998?

  • In 1998, there was no group or force within Liberia called the NPFL.

  • Now, the witness speaks of Sunlight being based at the Mansion Ground in Monrovia. Remember, we have covered this already. And you hear the witness say, "I never went to Monrovia." But the witness says that "he would tell us to tell Sunlight to tell Charles Taylor that he should put on his 2-1 so that he would talk with him." This is Sam Bockarie.

    Mr Witness, were you ever present when there was a call from Sam Bockarie, either via satellite phone or through the radio, to Sunlight asking Sunlight to tell Charles Taylor that Charles Taylor should put on his 2-1? Are you aware of any such event happening?

  • No.

  • Were you ever present when a radio call came to Sunlight with an instruction to Charles Taylor to put on his 2-1?

  • Was Sunlight the radio operator for the President of the Republic of Liberia?

  • No.

  • Did Sunlight have access to the President of the Republic of Liberia?

  • Sunlight did not have access to the President of the Republic of Liberia.

  • The witness says, "Sunlight will call us and tell us that 'The Pa wants to talk to your own Pa'," meaning communication between Bockarie and Taylor. Was it a practice of those at Base 1 to refer to Charles Taylor as "The Pa"?

  • Okay. Before answering that, let me say something. Sunlight, as I know, never received any information, either directly or indirectly, from the President, or directly or indirectly for the President. Sunlight never received information that had to do with the President. And to answer your question - what was your question again?

  • Yes, I will repeat the question.

  • The question was: Was it a practice of those at Base 1 to refer to Charles Taylor as "The Pa"?

  • How about Sam Bockarie? During the flow of communications between Base 1 and Buedu, was Sam Bockarie referred to as "The Pa"?

  • I never heard anyone referring to Sam Bockarie as "The Pa".

  • Let's continue, same page where we were, if we could go to line 26. This is page 16133. It is a question asked of the witness. The witness is asked to explain slowly. It says:

    "Q. Explain slowly how you know that Sunlight was at the

    Mansion Ground in Monrovia.

    A. I said the operators who were assigned with

    Sam Bockarie, like for instance Pascal, who used to go to

    Monrovia, and Elevation, who used to go with Issa to

    Monrovia, they were the ones who gave the information to me

    that the station where Sunlight was was at the Mansion

    Ground with Charles Taylor."

    Continuing at line number 9 on that page:

    "Q. Now, aside from Sunlight, were you in communication

    with any other radio operators in Liberia?

    A. Yes, we had one radio operator in Foya that we used to

    communicate with, and he was US-1. That was how we used to

    call him. He was based in Foya. Beside that, we sent a

    radio operator and a radio to Foya at the time Benjamin

    Yeaten was there, and that was Mortiga. He was based in

    Foya with Benjamin Yeaten as a radio operator.

    Q. Now, you also referred to two individuals . First of

    all, you said somebody named Tolo. Who is he?

    A. Osman Tolo was the RUF operator who was based in

    Monrovia with the RUF set.

    Q. How do you know that?

    A. That was a deployment that the RUF did there. The

    operator, Sam Bockarie, was - appointed Tolo to go there

    because by then his wife was there at first, Memunatu Deen,

    and it was later that Tolo himself went there after we had

    retreated to Buedu.

    Q. So are you saying that Sam Bockarie appointed Tolo?

    A. Yes."

    Now, let's pause there, Mr Witness. You heard this witness explain how he knew that Sunlight was based at the Mansion Ground and he says "with Charles Taylor." He refers to Pascal and Elevation, who used to go with Issa. So Pascal used to go to Monrovia, and Elevation used to go with Issa to Monrovia, and they were the ones who gave Mohamed Kabbah this information.

    Now, do you know a radio operator by the name called Elevation, Mr Witness?

  • I know the name Elevation, but I don't know the person who possesses that name, Elevation.

  • How did you come to know that name, Elevation?

  • Okay. Elevation I remember from Base 1. Sunlight dealt with him twice, once from Buedu. He was there when Sunlight wanted to communicate with, I think - I think Daf. Elevation was on the set and Sunlight told him to get Daf on the set. Secondly, Elevation called from another direction. He intercepted the communication between Base 1 - he intercepted Base 1's communication whilst Base 1 was in search of Bravo Zulu 4, that is Sam Bockarie's radio in Buedu. Elevation intercepted this call and had Base 1 to connect with Bravo Zulu 4.

  • Was Elevation privy to any of the information that Base 1 exchanged with Bravo Zulu 4 during this communication?

  • Did a radio operator called Elevation ever visit Base 1 while you were located at Base 1?

  • How about the radio operator --

  • I said I heard the name Elevation, and I said Sunlight spoke with Elevation twice, but I don't know the individual who has - who had the name Elevation.

  • Well, the question was whether any radio operator from the RUF with that name ever visited Base 1 when you were there.

  • When I was there, there was no operators from the RUF with that name who ever visited Base 1.

  • How about the operator with the name Pascal? Did that person ever visit Base 1?

  • Are you aware of Issa Sesay ever visiting Monrovia with a radio operator called Elevation or Pascal?

  • I am not aware of that.

  • The witness referred to a radio operator in Foya by the name of US-1. Are you aware of such an operator operating out of Foya on behalf of the Government of Liberia?

  • Yes. US-1 once operated in Foya for the national police, but he was also - he was using the navy's radio, Amphibian Base. He was a police officer. But because the police never had their own radio in Foya, when the navy moved there, he used to work along with Tango Julia, or Seria Foxtrot of the navy division.

  • Tango Julia or - did you say - who did you say besides Tango Julia?

  • I said Tango Julia and Seria Foxtrot. Those were the navy division's radio operators.

  • Can you spell Seria Foxtrot for us, the first name?

  • Seria, S-E-R-I-A, Seria.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. How about the assertion by Mohamed Kabbah that the RUF sent a radio operator and a radio to Foya and that was when Benjamin Yeaten was there and that radio operator was called Mortiga, that he was based in Foya with Benjamin Yeaten as a radio operator? Did this ever happen, that the RUF sent a radio operator and a radio to be based with Benjamin Yeaten in Foya?

  • No.

  • Was the Government of Liberia short of radios, that they needed a radio from the RUF?

  • To your knowledge, was a radio operator called Mortiga ever a radio operator for Benjamin Yeaten?

  • I stated this here yesterday, and I will say it again: There was no radio operator with Benjamin Yeaten called Mortiga.

  • Now, do you know why, if US-1 was a radio operator in Foya and there was already a radio in Foya, why there was the need for the RUF to send a radio to Benjamin Yeaten in Foya?

  • Please repeat your question.

  • Yes. You told us that US-1 once operated in Foya for the national police. It was the navy's radio, Amphibian Base. So there was already a radio in Foya, according to you, and my question is: Why would the RUF need to send a radio operator and a radio to Benjamin Yeaten in Foya when the Government of Liberia already had a radio in Foya? Do you know why that would happen?

  • I don't know.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, continuing. Mohamed Kabbah said Osman Tolo was the RUF operator who was based in Monrovia with the RUF set. Says with the RUF set. That Memunatu Deen was first in Monrovia and then afterwards, by the time the RUF was in Buedu, Osman Tolo went to Monrovia. Says he was appointed by Sam Bockarie.

    Mr Witness, at any time during the period of time when Memunatu Deen was in Liberia using Base 1, did Osman Tolo join her in Liberia with the RUF set?

  • No.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Shall we go to the next page, 16135:

    "Q. Do you know approximately how long after you arrived in

    Buedu that this appointment occurred?"

    This is the appointment of Osman Tolo by Sam Bockarie that Tolo should be based in Monrovia.

    "A. When we retreated to Buedu at that time, in about two

    months' time Memuna came to Buedu and when she came that

    was the time the discussion took place. On her return it

    was the time Sam Bockarie said that the two of them should

    go, because he said the husband should go and live together

    with his wife.

    Q. You said the name Memunatu Deen and then you said

    Memuna Deen. Which one is it?

    A. Memuna Deen.

    Q. Who was she? Who was Memuna Deen?

    A. Memuna was an RUF operator - radio operator, I mean.

    Q. And where was she based?

    A. She was based in Monrovia to a Pa called Pa Musa. They

    said the radio was at his house. That was where they were

    based.

    Q. Do you know why she was based in Monrovia?

    A. Yes. She was based there because she too was to be

    giving us information that related especially to the time

    Pa Sankoh had been arrested in Nigeria, and also for her to

    be giving us updated activity reports in Monrovia when they

    heard about anything, be it good or bad. So that was our

    station.

    Q. What do you mean when you say 'when they heard about

    anything'? Who is 'they'?

    A. The operators who were there, Memuna and Tolo. That

    was their mission there, for them to be updating us with

    information about anything that was happening in Monrovia."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, Mohamed Kabbah said Memuna was based, and he refers to the person as Memuna Deen - was based in Monrovia at Pa Musa's house. The radio was at his house and that's where they were based. And then the explanation is given later on that the "they" means Memuna and Tolo.

    Now, at the time when you were in Base 1, when the person you refer to as Memunatu Deen used to come to Base 1, was there an occasion when that person went to Sierra Leone, returned and advised those at Base 1 that they had been to Sierra Leone and returned with their husband?

  • No. And let me clarify something concerning Tolo, because the witness had said Tolo was at Base 1. I never knew or I never saw Tolo, with the exception of the time that I saw him during Sam Bockarie's final stay in Liberia. But if this Tolo, or Osman Tolo, or any Tolo had been in Liberia before as an RUF operator, or had been living in Liberia before, I don't know.

  • But the person you saw when Sam Bockarie finally came to Monrovia, or Liberia, had you ever seen that person before in Monrovia?

  • No. This is what I am saying.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we go to the following page - actually let's stay on the same page, line 29. There is a question there:

    "Q. I want to talk about the frequency of your radio

    stations in Buedu communication with Sunlight during the

    time period you were based in Buedu. Approximately how

    frequently were you in communication with Sunlight?

    A. I had said that this process was a continuous flow. By

    that I mean it was a daily activity. It was not a hidden

    programme. It was quite clear that every day we

    communicated with Sunlight.

    Q. What were the content - what were some of the things

    you remember about the content of those communications?

    A. The communications that we used to have with Sunlight

    were: One, in the morning, after receiving reports from

    our various front lines and at times when he called he

    would ask us about news on the ground and then we would

    tell him that things are good, but at any time we got

    attacks we would also tell him that we had an attack. That

    besides, if at any time Charles Taylor needed to talk to

    Sam Bockarie, then Sunlight would tell us that his Pa,

    Charles Taylor, said Sam Bockarie should go. That happened

    at all times that he needed him and if at all from within

    the RUF Sam Bockarie wanted to move to go to Monrovia, he

    would tell us that and we would tell Sunlight that

    Sam Bockarie wanted to go and meet the Pa, Charles Taylor,

    and they would go and they would give the go-ahead and

    Sam Bockarie's movement was a free movement. At any time

    he wanted to go to Monrovia he was welcome."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, Mohamed Kabbah discussed two things: One, the frequency of communication. He said, "It was a daily activity. It was not hidden. Every day we communicated with Sunlight." While you were at Base 1, was it the case that every day Base 1 communicated with Buedu?

  • No. Base 1 was not in a daily communication with Buedu. Base 1 - Buedu was not part of Buedu station. Base 1 - even though it communicated with Buedu or the RUF, but Base 1 had her own job to do. That is, Base 1 was the radio of the Republic of Liberia. So Base 1 was not engaged in a daily conversation with Buedu. Base 1 only connected with Buedu whenever she received information from her boss for Sam Bockarie.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Mohamed Kabbah suggested to this Court that reports from the various front lines, that is RUF front lines, were conveyed to Sunlight when they would have this radio communication. The witness said that Sunlight would ask them about news on the ground and they would tell Sunlight if they got attacks. They would also tell Sunlight that things were good.

    The nature of communication between Base 1 and Buedu, was it in a similar vein? That is, the transmittal of situation reports or operational reports from Buedu to Base 1, advising Base 1 about what was happening at the front lines in Sierra Leone?

  • Base 1 was never receiving situation reports from the RUF. Base 1 was not charged with the responsibility to do that. Those operators at Base 1 never received situation reports or asked the RUF for their situation reports.

  • And now listen to this. Mohamed Kabbah said to the Court another aspect of this, which is that Sam Bockarie was free to move into Monrovia at any time, he was welcome. And the manner in which that would occur would be at any time Charles Taylor needed to talk to Sam Bockarie, Sunlight would tell the RUF that Charles Taylor said Sam Bockarie should go to Monrovia. And vice versa. Within the RUF, if Sam Bockarie wanted to go to Monrovia, he would tell Kabbah and the others and they would tell Sunlight that Sam Bockarie wanted to go and meet the Pa, Charles Taylor.

    Now, Mr Witness, were the operators at Base 1 the facilitators of Sam Bockarie's movement in and out of Monrovia?

  • Those operators - it would have been a blessing for them if they had access to the President at that time. There was nothing like that.

  • Which operators are you referring to when you say --

  • I'm speaking of the operators at Base 1, Dew and Sunlight. I'm sorry, Romeo Tango. That is to say that Sunlight or any of those operators at Base 1 never had direct or indirect access to the President in terms of receiving information from him or even in terms of seeing him or speaking to him on the telephone or on a radio communication set. Never. It never happened.

  • Thank you Mr Witness, if we go to the next page, 16137 at line 28, there is a question posed to the witness there, starting at line 27:

    "Q. Earlier you said that Sunlight would receive reports

    from your stations in Buedu. Is that correct?

    A. Yes."

    We are now at 16138:

    "Q. Explain what you mean. What exactly were you - what

    exactly was in the messages that you were sending to

    Sunlight?

    A. The war that we fought in Sierra Leone the RUF and the

    Government of Liberia were like brothers and sisters, and

    whatsoever thing that went on within the RUF, be it good or

    bad, we would have to inform Sunlight because we

    communicated every day for him to have knowledge of it so

    that Charles Taylor too would know, because whatever

    information our station, that is the headquarters station,

    that Sunlight received from us, Charles Taylor too would be

    able to know.

    Q. Why did you say 'we would have to inform Sunlight'?

    A. I have said this. I said the operation that went on in

    Sierra Leone, let me say materials in terms of ammunition,

    we got it from that country through Charles Taylor, so

    whatever operation that took place within the RUF was not

    anything hidden from them. We had communication with them

    every day.

    Q. Now, you said that 'in Sierra Leone, let me say

    materials in terms of ammunitions, we got it from that

    country through Charles Taylor'. Explain what you know

    about this.

    A. When we needed - that is, when the RUF needed

    ammunition, Sam Bockarie would give us a message, or he

    would tell Sunlight - we would communicate directly with

    Sunlight for him to inform Charles Taylor that we needed

    ammunition. So the response that came, it would be based

    on that, that Sam Bockarie would go to Monrovia to bring

    ammunition, food, used clothing and some other things.

    Q. Now, in terms of this, that you've just described, what

    time period are you referring to?

    A. That was the time we were in Buedu that I am speaking

    about.

    Q. Now, can you, estimate about how often this would

    occur; this being what you've just described, in terms of

    the message to Sunlight requesting ammunition?

    A. I said at any time we were short of ammunition - I

    cannot estimate whether it was one time or two times, but

    at any time we were short of arms, that was the area from

    which we got supplies. We would always ask."

    Let's stop there. Mr Witness, a couple of things. Going back to the previous page, this witness, Mohamed Kabbah, referred to the RUF and the Government of Liberia like brothers - that they were like brothers and sisters. Is that a characterisation that you accept?

  • No.

  • Why do you not accept it?

  • Because the connection between Benjamin Yeaten and Sam Bockarie was a personal connection. It was a personal connection. It was not based - it was not because - he was not doing it in the interests of the Government of the Republic of Liberia. And then, also to my knowledge, the Government of Liberia did not have any link, or never had a link with the RUF, in terms of the movement of the RUF. There was no cooperation between the RUF and the Government of Liberia, to my knowledge.

  • But listen to what the witness said. He said:

    "They communicated every day, for him", that is Charles Taylor, "so that Charles Taylor would know what was going on in the RUF, whether it was good or bad he said we would have to inform Sunlight. It was as if it was a requirement that they would have to inform Sunlight every day for him to have knowledge of it so that Charles Taylor too would know."

    To your knowledge, did Sunlight have, on a daily basis, knowledge of what was happening to the RUF?

  • No. Sunlight never had, on a daily basis he never communicated with the RUF. He never required a situation report from the RUF. And Sunlight, one thing, again, Sunlight being used by Benjamin Yeaten to communicate with the RUF was not to the knowledge of the President of the Republic of Liberia. So as to enable him to receive information from the President of the Republic of Liberia to Sam Bockarie or from Sam Bockarie to the President of the Republic of Liberia. It was not to his knowledge. It was not to the knowledge of the President. He did not know anything, absolutely anything.

  • Mr Anyah, I have my eye on the clock. It is now half past one. We will take our luncheon break and reconvene at 2.30.

  • [Lunch break taken at 1.31 p.m.]

  • [Upon resuming at 2.34 p.m.]

  • Good afternoon. Mr Anyah, please continue.

  • Thank you, Madam President.

  • Good afternoon, Mr Witness.

  • Good afternoon, sir.

  • Before Court adjourned for the lunch break, we were reviewing evidence given to the Court by a Prosecution witness named Mohamed Kabbah; do you recall that?

  • I had read to you transcripts from Mr Kabbah's evidence, the transcript of 12 September, we were at page 16138, and I have a question or two in respect of what I read to you.

    Mr Kabbah said at line 21:

    "When we needed" - that is, when the RUF needed - "ammunition, Sam Bockarie would give us a message or he would tell Sunlight, we would communicate directly with Sunlight, for him to inform Charles Taylor that we needed ammunition. So the response that came, it would be based on that, that Sam Bockarie would go to Monrovia to bring ammunition, food, used clothing and some other things."

    Now, Mr Kabbah makes it quite specific here that the message they would communicate directly to Sunlight was for Sunlight to inform Charles Taylor that they needed ammunition. While you were at Base 1, Mr Witness, was there ever an occasion, to your recollection, when Sunlight transmitted this sort of message, which amounts to a request for ammunition and supplies, from the RUF to the President of Liberia, Charles Taylor?

  • To my knowledge, when I was there, Sunlight did not receive any message from Sam Bockarie for the President, Charles Taylor.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. How about the request for arms, because there is a passing reference, perhaps it's a typographical error but it appears nonetheless on the transcript in relation to arms, when the witness says on the following page, page 16139:

    "I said at any time we were short of ammunition, I cannot the estimate whether it was one time or two times, but at any time we were short of ammunition - of arms, that was the area from which we got supplies. We would always ask."

    Was there an occasion to your knowledge when Sam Bockarie made a request for arms, through Base 1, to Charles Taylor?

  • To my knowledge, at no time did Sam Bockarie ever make a request for arms or ammunition through Base 1, or through the operators at Base 1, for the President, Charles Taylor.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. May we please go to the same day's transcript, to page 16142, five pages below the current page. Well, it's four pages below the current page. 16142. Thank you, Madam Court Manager. Going to line 25 of that page. The question is posed to Mr Kabbah:

    "Q. Now, you also mentioned somebody called Liberian

    Mosquito. Who was that?

    A. Liberian Mosquito was an NPFL. He too was tall,

    because in Liberia, when somebody was a thin person, they

    would refer to that person as Mosquito. They used to call

    him also General Mosquito, but he used to stammer. He was

    a thin, black, tall man, but he used to stammer."

    We are now on the following page:

    "Q. Now, when you referred to radio communications, you

    said that you would talk to Sunlight, is that correct?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Just to be clear, when you're saying 'you', are you

    referring to you, the radio operator, or you as in the

    group in Buedu?

    A. Not me alone. Those of us who were at the station at

    Buedu, the headquarters station, we used to talk directly

    to Sunlight. I used to talk to him, Zedman used to talk to

    him, Tiger used to talk to him, Pascal used to talk to him.

    Those of us who were at the headquarters station, all of us

    used to talk to him.

    Q. Did anyone else, aside from you and the other

    operators, talk on the radio?

    A. Do you mean to Sunlight?

    Q. To anyone in Liberia.

    A. Some of the stations used to do that, but in hiding,

    because it was a kind of restriction. We called it net

    discipline. That was an outside station. It was only the

    control station that had the mandate to do those things.

    We never used to allow such.

    Q. Did anyone, aside from Sunlight, get on the radio from

    Liberia?

    A. Yes. Benjamin Yeaten used to talk to Sam Bockarie and

    the other commanders in Sierra Leone in the RUF,

    especially at the time Mortiga was now assigned to him, he

    used to communicate with us directly.

    Q. So who exactly would Benjamin Yeaten be talking to on

    the radio? "

    Over to the next page:

    "A. At the time that Sam Bockarie was in power, he used to

    talk to Sam Bockarie; when Issa was in power, he used to

    talk to Issa."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, a couple of questions. We have been through some of them before. One, starting from where we just left off with the transcript: To your knowledge, while you were at Base 1, did Benjamin Yeaten have any communication with Issa Sesay on the radio?

  • Not to my knowledge. And, like I said, and I will repeat, during my stay at Base 1, Benjamin Yeaten never spoke to anyone on the radio.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. How about this suggestion by Mohamed Kabbah that although only the control station had the mandate to speak to Sunlight in Liberia, some of the stations used to do that, but in hiding because it was a kind of restriction.

    Were there occasions to your knowledge, Mr Witness, when other RUF radio stations would contact Base 1 without the knowledge of Planet 1 or Bravo Zulu 4?

  • To my knowledge, no other stations in the RUF, besides Bravo Zulu 4 or Planet 1, as it was called, ever had communication or that had a private talk or any kind of communication with Base 1 in secret. No.

  • Now, you heard the names mentioned by this witness, the names of operators who were at the headquarters station in Buedu, the witness mentioned Zedman, Tiger and Pascal, saying that "those of us who were at the headquarters station, all of us used to talk to him." That is Sunlight. You were at Base 1 with Sunlight. To your knowledge, did Sunlight discuss any matters of substance, that is, matters conveying information from Benjamin Yeaten to Sam Bockarie or from Sam Bockarie to Benjamin Yeaten with persons like Zedman, Pascal or Tiger?

  • To my knowledge, Sunlight did not convey any information to any of those names mentioned from Benjamin Yeaten to Sam Bockarie.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. One last question. This witness said that Liberian Mosquito was an NPFL. You remember yesterday telling us about somebody called Christopher Varmoh and you remember telling us that that person's name?

  • Mohamed Kabbah says that Christopher Varmoh was NPFL. Do you know if that is true?

  • That who was NPFL?

  • That Liberian Mosquito was NPFL; the person, known as Liberian Mosquito, was an NPFL. Do you know whether the person you referred to yesterday as Liberian Mosquito, also known as Christopher Varmoh, whether it was NPFL also?

  • No, the Christopher Varmoh that I referred to yesterday was a member of the Armed Forces of Liberia. He was the commander of the Armed forces of Liberia there, the AFL.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Shall we continue where we left off, page 16144, line 4:

    "Q. And do you recall the subject of the communications

    between Benjamin Yeaten and Sam Bockarie?

    A. Yes. At times, just like I am talking about this,

    these attacks that we carried out, because they were

    military operations. It was not an ordinary civilian talk.

    In the morning sometimes he will talk on those issues of

    development on the front lines and at one time when,

    in fact, the 6 January invasion took place in Freetown when

    ECOMOG was pushing the men. At that time Mosquito spoke

    with Benjamin Yeaten, and so he said 'the situation is

    becoming bad at the front line. The enemies were pushing

    our men out of the town'. So Benjamin Yeaten told him why

    he was not trying to reinforce the men in the city. He

    said, 'You know the city is big. You need to reinforce

    them'. So that was one communication that I can cite as an

    example that went on between Benjamin Yeaten and

    Sam Bockarie, but they used to talk on military issues.

    When sometimes there was an attack on us - on their side" -

    sorry - when sometimes there was an attack on their own

    side, even in Liberia, when they used to attack them he

    will send to us. He used to send to Sam Bockarie to send

    manpower and manpower used to go to assist them really.

    Q. During the time you were in Buedu, do you know why

    Sam Bockarie was talking to Benjamin Yeaten?

    A. Yes, I said this was - how would I put it really? It

    was a sort of a joint operation that was going on.

    Everybody wanted to know the successes and the failures

    that each had at a particular time, so they used to talk on

    those things."

    Let's pause. The witness Mohamed Kabbah refers to January 6 invasion that took place in Freetown. The witness says that there was a communication between Mosquito and Benjamin Yeaten. And Yeaten said something to the effect that "you know the city is big, you need to reinforce them". This is Yeaten speaking to Sam Bockarie. Mr Witness, are you aware of Benjamin Yeaten having this sort of communication with Sam Bockarie around 6 January 1999?

  • I am not aware of such a communication, and it is not to my knowledge.

  • You remember testifying that Benjamin Yeaten listened to a BBC broadcast from the radio within the jeep that he owned, that this jeep was in front of his house, and you also heard the BBC broadcast regarding an occurrence in Freetown, that you heard this BBC broadcast around the 7 January 1999? You recall mentioning that?

  • After you and Yeaten heard that broadcast, are you aware of Yeaten making contact with Sam Bockarie, whether by radio or by satellite telephone, to discuss what was happening in Freetown with Sam Bockarie?

  • Did you hear whether any such thing happened; that Yeaten had found out some more information, directly from Sam Bockarie, about what was happening in Freetown?

  • I did not hear that.

  • Shall we please go to the transcript of 15 September 2008, that's September 15, 2008, starting at page 16175. Thank you, Madam Court Manager. I'll start at line number 14. Mr Witness, this is still Mohamed Kabbah testifying. A question was posed to Mohamed Kabbah:

    "Q. You also said that Sam Bockarie was in communication

    on a satellite phone with Charles Taylor. Before you

    explain that, first of all, how do you know that?

    A. That was not any hidden thing, particularly with

    regards to communication, that was not hidden to me

    particularly because I was in charge. Once when

    Sam Bockarie went to Liberia, he brought a satellite phone,

    just like handset that people use, that security guards

    use. That was what he communicated with always whenever he

    wanted to talk to Charles Taylor. When he would want to

    talk to Charles Taylor he would tell like me or the

    operator who would be on duty to tell Sunlight, because

    Sunlight was the one who worked at Charles Taylor's radio

    station, the Mansion Ground. He would say, 'Tell Sunlight

    that I want to talk to Father,' because we used to call him

    Father or Pa, so he would say, 'I want to talk to Pa or

    Father.' So Sunlight would tell Charles Taylor that,

    'Sam Bockarie wants to talk to you,' and he would switch on

    the phone and call. At that time, Sam Bockarie would be on

    the stand-by. It was not any secret. It was not hidden or

    that the satellite phone was not there. No, he had it. He

    used to hang it on his pants walking around with it. It

    was not hidden. And for communications, it was - I would

    either be present or not, but I will know."

    Just pause there. Mohamed Kabbah again referring to Sunlight as the one who worked at Charles Taylor's radio station. Is that true, Mr Witness?

  • That's not true.

  • Mohamed Kabbah's saying that communication between Sam Bockarie and Charles Taylor was not a hidden matter; that it was not any secret. Are you aware of such an open secret, Mr Witness; something that everybody knew?

  • I don't know about communication between Sam Bockarie and President Taylor.

  • Did you ever hear that Sam Bockarie was in communication with the President of Liberia in this manner; where one would tell the other one to turn on the telephone and Sam Bockarie would be on stand-by?

  • I never heard about communication between Sam Bockarie and President Taylor in any way.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. We continue at line 10:

    "Q. At the time of the Freetown invasion, how do you know

    he was - Sam Bockarie was in communication with a satellite

    phone with Charles Taylor?

    A. All along communication on the VHF went all other

    commanders, but the satellite phone communication went on

    directly to Charles Taylor. The night that the dialogue

    took place, that was at the MP headquarters in Buedu, the

    operator who was on duty, Tiger, Sam Bockarie told him to

    tell Sunlight to tell his Pa that he wanted to talk to him,

    and that is Charles Taylor. And that very night, Tiger

    passed a message to Sunlight, and where the satellite phone

    would receive call radios up at the MP and Sam Bockarie

    went into the vehicle and they went. That was the Planet 1

    and the - we too were at the" - and then there was an interruption. The witness went on to say at line 28:

    "Sam Bockarie, I said he went into his vehicle, that was - that was having the mobile radio. We referred to that radio as Planet 1. The base radio, that was Marvel, too was in a vehicle and we went into that vehicle, we and the - myself and the other operators and some bodyguards, we went to the MP. That was where we were that night when he called and this discussion took place."

    And then some follow-up questions.

    "Q. Were you present when Sam Bockarie this call?

    A. I was present. I said it was up at the MP station,

    because there is where you - there was the hill and that

    was where the satellite got coverage.

    Q. Who else was present in this particular instance when

    Sam Bockarie made this satellite call?

    A. I was present, Tiger who was on duty was present,

    Pascal who was with Planet 1, that is, Sam Bockarie's

    station, was there. His bodyguard commander Foday too was

    there".

    Mr Witness, this appears to be an event that was observed or undertaken in the presence of many people: Mohamed Kabbah was there; Tiger was there; Pascal was there; a bodyguard commander called Foday was there. It was at the MP station, up on a hill and they passed this message to Sunlight and that is how there was a communication between Charles Taylor and Sam Bockarie. Are you aware of any of this happening, Mr Witness?

  • No.

  • Thank you. Now, can we consider the testimony of another witness. I will leave Mr Kabbah's testimony for the time being. This is a transcript from 2 December 2008, at page 21440. That's page 21440, 2 December 2008. Thank you, Madam Court Manager.

    Mr Witness, this is TF1-274. This witness gave his name to the Court as Dauda Aruna Fornie. That was given in open session at page 21292 of the transcript of 1 December 2008. This witness's nickname is Daf, or radio code name Daf. Line 27 of that page, 2 December's transcript, a question was asked of Daf:

    "Q. Now, why were you with Mosquito? Why were you with

    Sam Bockarie along on this - to these locations, such as

    Daru? Why were you there?

    A. I was with him for communication purposes, to

    coordinate communication.

    Q. Who were you in communication with?

    A. I communicated with stations in the various front

    lines, like when Issa and others were towards the Freetown

    area, together with Superman, Johnny Paul Koroma and the

    others who were retreating, and I was communicating also

    with stations in Monrovia. I communicated with a

    particular station, to be specific, in Monrovia.

    Q. What station was that?

    A. The station was Base 1. Base 1, which was operated -

    actually, there were two operators who were there, but the

    one that I can recall now was operator Sunlight. Sunlight.

    Sunlight was Benjamin Yeaten's radio operator.

    Q. Now, the time we were discussing, was this period when

    the day after you stayed in Pendembu and you were

    travelling with Sam Bockarie to several locations including

    Daru and Kuiva. Now, I'm asking you specifically about

    this time period. Who were you in communication with?

    A. I was in communication with the entire RUF radio

    stations, including a radio station in Liberia, Monrovia.

    Q. This communication you are referring to with this

    station called Base 1, was this the first time you were in

    communication with this station, if you can recall?

    A. Well, yes, I can recall that Base 1, it was from

    Pendembu - it was from Pendembu that I started

    communicating with Base 1, from Pendembu."

    Let's pause there. Mr Witness, you have spoken during your testimony of an RUF radio operator called Daf. You have indicated today that you've learnt through these proceedings that his name was Dauda Fornie. The witness's evidence that I'm reading was Dauda Fornie. Do you recall when you were based at Base 1 having radio communication contact with Daf while Daf was at Pendembu?

  • No.

  • If we were to go to page 21441, about three or four pages ahead, the witness gives us a time frame for this. The witness says it was early in 1998. That was when the witness moved with Sam Bockarie through these areas, early 1998. Does that assist you, Mr Witness? In early 1998 --

  • What page are you on now?

  • Sorry, your Honour. I left briefly the page I was on, which was 21441, and I made a reference to page 21444.

  • You didn't make any reference to that page. That's why I asked you what page you were on.

  • Oh, I see. I apologise for that. Yes. I actually repeated the same - the page number for the very page I was on when I said, "If we were to go to page 21441." I actually meant page 21444, just three pages ahead. It gives us a time frame for when Daf was in the vicinity of Pendembu because on that page at line 23, in response to a question, "Can you put a time frame on this now, is it possible for you to put a month and year?" Daf said, "That was early 1998."

  • So now going back to the page I was at, page 21441, 2 December 2008. Mr Witness, I was asking you a question: Does it assist you to remember whether this type of communication took place between Daf and Base 1 if you were told it happened around early 1998?

  • In early 1998 there was no station called Base 1 at that time in early 1998, so there was no communication between Daf and Sunlight during that time.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Well, let me read line 28:

    "Q. And what was the content of this communication, the

    communication between you and Base 1."

    Over to the next page, page 21442, Daf responds:

    "A. The content. I received orders from CO Mosquito to

    contact the other side, that is Liberia. That was one of

    the ways we referred to Liberia as 'the other side', that

    is, Liberia, to contact and inform Papay Musa and Benjamin

    that the situation had got out of hands, that ECOMOG had

    flushed us out of most of the areas that we occupied and

    that we had retreated to as far as Kailahun District and

    that the other people were still retreating and they were

    in the Northern Area, some of our colleagues, some of our

    colleague fighters who were in the Western Area were on the

    run retreating towards the Kono area, and that we needed

    material, we needed material, that is, ammunition, to stop

    the ECOMOG advance into our territory.

    Q. What happened?

    A. From there, Sunlight told Five-Zero that message and

    Five-Zero in turn, told Mosquito that he will get on to

    him, that he will get on to him.

    Q. How do you know that Sunlight told Five-Zero that

    message?

    A. Sunlight came back. He came back on the net and

    contacted me, and he contacted us and said he had passed

    the message on to Five-Zero, and Five-Zero had said

    Mosquito should be on the standby and that he would get a

    response from him later. But on that very day, we did not

    get any response in respect of that message until the

    following morning when we were in Pendembu. That was when

    we got a response with regards that message.

    Q. What was that response?

    A. The response was for Mosquito to travel to Monrovia.

    It was for Mosquito to travel to Monrovia on the

    instructions of Mr Taylor according to Benjamin Yeaten."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, you are following. Daf was essentially telling the Court that they contacted Monrovia, at the request of Sam Bockarie, and it was to inform somebody called Papay Musa and Benjamin that the situation was out of hands, that they needed material, and the material in question, ammunition, to stop the ECOMOG advance into the RUF territory. From there, Daf says Sunlight told Five-Zero this message. They did not get a response on the same day from Five-Zero. On the following day they got a response; that was when they were in Pendembu. And the response was for Mosquito to travel to Monrovia on the instructions of Mr Taylor. Can you help us make sense of this, Mr Witness? Was there such an exchange of information that while Daf and the others were at Pendembu, they received a message asking Sam Bockarie to travel to Monrovia, all of this in early 1998, at the request of Charles Taylor to come and receive ammunition?

  • I will begin again by saying that there was no Government of Liberia VHF communication station at that time, early 1998, that was called Base 1. In early 1998, Sunlight was assigned at the Executive Mansion of the Republic of Liberia. And again, there was no time that Sunlight ever received communication from the RUF wherein they made requisition for arms and ammunition to the President of Liberia or to Benjamin Yeaten. And, lastly, throughout the time that I was at Base 1 at Benjamin Yeaten's house, Sunlight or Dew never received an instruction from Benjamin Yeaten in which he told them to ask Sam Bockarie to come to Liberia. There was no such message received.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, over to the next page. Page 21443, starting at line 7, there's a question asked of Daf:

    "Q. With regard to this particular set of communications

    between Sunlight and you and Sam Bockarie, specifically

    what were you doing in relation to these communications?

    A. I received messages and I also transmitted messages at

    that time from Mosquito to Benjamin Yeaten and from

    Benjamin Yeaten to Mosquito, from Mosquito to the various

    front lines, and from the various front lines to Mosquito.

    Q. So who was actually doing the talking on the radio?

    A. The operators would contact and sometimes Mosquito

    himself would talk.

    Q. Mr Witness, referring specifically to this set of

    communications that you are talking about after you

    arrived in Pendembu, and you have referred to

    communications with Base 1 and an operator named Sunlight,

    who specifically was doing the talking on the radio?

    A. I did the talking. I did the communication with

    Sunlight directly.

    Q. Was there anybody else involved in the actual talking

    on the radio?

    A. Yes. There were other radio operators. Then one

    morning, when I received that response from Sunlight,

    Mosquito spoke directly to Sunlight. He spoke directly to

    Sunlight."

    Now, Daf has further explained that there were other radio operators involved and that on the morning when they received the response from Sunlight, Mosquito spoke directly to Sunlight. Did that happen, Mr Witness?

  • No.

  • Over to the next page --

  • Then he said "several operations". And I want to make it clear again that in late 1998, that is, from September, when Base 1 was installed, Sunlight was the only operator there during that time up to November when Memunatu came, and then in late December or January, that is, late December 1998 or January 1999, was when Dew joined Sunlight.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, to the next page, page 21444, at the top of the page, line 1:

    "Q. Now, after you received this response from Sunlight,

    what happened?

    A. On that day, that morning, we went back to the front

    line to settle the defensive problem, to make sure that the

    defensive was well set on the front line, and when we came

    back, we passed directly. We did not pass the night in

    Pendembu any more and we went to Buedu. It was in Buedu

    that we passed the night on that day.

    The following day --"

    And then another question is posed:

    "Q. When you say 'we', who do you mean exactly?

    A. Myself, Mosquito, and others. I was with Mosquito

    directly as operator at that time.

    Q. Now, how many people moved to Buedu? Who went - when

    you went with Mosquito, aside from you and Mosquito, about

    how many others were moving?

    A. Well, we were - we had many vehicles, but in that

    convoy, those of us who were going to Buedu, it was about

    four vehicles that we used, about four vehicles that we

    used to go to Buedu.

    Q. And you said you passed the night in Buedu?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Can you put a time frame on this now? Is it possible

    for you to put a month and year?

    A. That was early 1998.

    Q. You spoke earlier of an ECOMOG intervention occurring

    in Freetown. By the point you reached Buedu, about how

    much time had passed between the ECOMOG intervention and

    the time you reached Buedu? Can you approximate?

    A. Well, it was in the same month. It was in the same

    month.

    Q. Can you approximate how many days?"

    And we go over to the next page:

    "A. Because no, Freetown did not just fall and we went to

    Buedu immediately, no. We were still in Kenema keeping the

    defensive for about at least a week. We were still in

    Kenema keeping the defensive. It was not just after

    Freetown had fallen to ECOMOG that we left Kenema. We were

    still keeping the defensive.

    Q. Okay. You said you passed the night in Buedu. Then

    what happened?

    A. The following day, I took off for Monrovia, together

    with Mosquito.

    Q. Who else was with you?

    A. One Rashid Sandy was there; one Shabadu was present,

    Shabadu, together with some other bodyguards of Mosquito.

    There was a Sellay Duwor, Sellay.

    Q. Who is - okay. Before I ask you about these

    individuals, about how many - how did you - by what means

    were you travelling?

    A. We used about three vehicles to go, about three

    vehicles or so, yes."

    And then he says they were jeeps and vans. And he says he cannot give an approximate number and - but he says they were around 15, that is, the individuals who went. And then line 29, there is a question, which is:

    "Q. Now, you mentioned Sam Bockarie of course, you

    mentioned Rashid Sandy" - and we're over to page 21446 -

    "and you mentioned Shabadu. Is there anybody else you

    remember specifically?

    Q. Yes. Those of us who took off from Buedu, I have just

    named a few of us, and along the way we met Jungle, one

    Colonel Jungle who was one of the Liberian securities,

    and all of us travelled together.

    Q. Where did you meet Jungle?

    A. In Voinjama, because on that day we met him in Voinjama

    and we spent the whole day in Voinjama until late in the

    evening. That was when we took off from Voinjama.

    Q. You mentioned an individual called Shabadu. Who was

    he?

    A. He was Mosquito's bodyguard commander at the time - or

    at that time.

    Q. Now, you also mentioned somebody called Sellay Duwor.

    Who was that?

    A. Sellay Duwor was a Liberian. At that time Sellay was

    the overall signal commander.

    Q. Overall signal commander for who?

    A. For RUF/SL."

    Now, let's pause there, Mr Witness. You follow what Daf was testifying to here? Daf was saying that they left Pendembu, did not spend the night, they went to Buedu, they spent the night. The next day they took off for Monrovia, about 15 of them, in about three vehicles. Daf, Sam Bockarie, Rashid Sandy, Shabadu, Sellay Duwor, referred to here as a Liberian, who was the overall signal commander for the RUF/SL, and on the way, in Voinjama, lo and behold, they met Jungle.

    Now, Mr Witness, you told us when you testified that the first time Jungle was brought to Base 1 by Sampson was in late 1998. Do you recall that?

  • Yes.

  • In early 1998, had you and anyone at Base 1, to your knowledge, met Jungle before then? Sorry, let me rephrase the question. Before meeting Jungle in late 1998 at Base 1, had you heard of or known of this person called Jungle before then?

  • Now, the names that were mentioned just now, Shabadu, Rashid Sandy, have you heard those names before?

  • I'm trying to look for the judicially noted fact about the ECOMOG intervention, because that may help put a time frame on this.

  • Madam President, may I have a minute, please.

  • Yes, thank you. Judicially noted fact AD reads:

    "ECOMOG ousted the AFRC/RUF junta from power on or about 14 February 1998."

    Mr Witness, that's important, in the sense that this quote has found that as a fact, it happened, on or about 14 February 1998.

    Now, you recall Daf saying that they were still in Kenema keeping the defensive and it was not just after Freetown had fallen to ECOMOG that they left Kenema, that they were still keeping the defensive. But you went on to say that they were in Kenema for at least about a week. So we're still talking about the month of February 1998 or thereabouts. And it's sometimes in the vicinity of that month that all of this is occurring, leading towards the end of the month. And he speaks of these convoy of three vehicles with Sam Bockarie going to Monrovia.

    Now, the Sellay Duwor that you knew, did that person, to your knowledge - well, not the Sellay Duwor, you referred to him as "Sellay" - the Sellay that you knew - the Sellay that you said that you met when Sam Bockarie visited Monrovia for the first time in late 1998, had that person, to your knowledge, been to Liberia earlier that year, around February/March of 1998?

  • No.

  • I'll continue to read page 21446, line 19:

    "Q. So you said there were three vehicles leaving Buedu

    and proceeding to Liberia. Describe what happened then.

    Where did you go?

    A. We went through Voinjama and Gbarnga, then to Monrovia.

    And on the way, that is between Gbarnga and Kakata, we met

    with Benjamin Yeaten and Mosquito entered his vehicle, and

    all of us travelled together back to Monrovia. He went

    back to Monrovia. All of us travelled to Monrovia.

    Q. When you say all of you, when you meet Benjamin Yeaten

    between Gbarnga and Kakata, first of all, describe exactly

    what you observed. What did you see when you met him?"

    Over to the next page:

    "A. When we met Benjamin Yeaten, we turned the vehicle and

    Mosquito got into Benjamin's jeep, and Mosquito left us in

    the other jeep and he entered into Benjamin's jeep -

    Benjamin's jeep. And all of us travelled, that is

    ourselves, Mosquito, Benjamin Yeaten, the others; all of

    us travelled to Monrovia. On the way, you know, there was

    no security threat. Nobody disturbed us. The moment they

    saw Mosquito - sorry, the moment the security post saw

    Benjamin's vehicle they will just give him away.

    Q. How did you know the person you were meeting there was

    Benjamin Yeaten? How did you know that?

    A. I did not know. In fact, I never knew that Benjamin

    Yeaten was coming to receive us on the way. I did not have

    any communication like that. We just saw him on the way

    and he said he had come to receive us, and he said the

    Papay had sent him to receive us. And that was when Jungle

    said, 'This is Benjamin Yeaten, Papay's chief security'.

    That is Charles Taylor's chief security. He said he was

    the SS director.

    Q. Who said that?

    A. Jungle. Jungle."

    Mr Witness, Daf told the Court that not only did they happen upon Jungle in Voinjama, between Gbarnga and Kakata, all of us sudden they ran into Benjamin Yeaten. Daf had not received any communication that Yeaten was on his way to receive them but Yeaten said he was there, he had come to receive them. He said the Papay had sent him to receive these people, the Papay being Charles Taylor.

    Are you aware of Benjamin Yeaten receiving RUF delegates, Sam Bockarie and others, somewhere in the vicinity of Gbarnga and Kakata at the direction of Charles Taylor?

  • It's not to my knowledge.

  • Are you aware of Benjamin Yeaten being in the company of Jungle and RUF members in the early part of 1998?

  • I'm not aware of that.

  • Shall we go to the next page, page 21448. Now, starting at the stop of the page, question, to Mr Fornie. Well, this is Mr Fornie giving an answer to a previous question which was, "What happened after you got to Monrovia?" And Mr Fornie responded:

    "A. When we arrived in Monrovia, we were - Benjamin

    distributed us to - Jungle took some people and he lodged

    them at a particular place, and it was at Benjamin's house

    with Sunlight and Mosquito" - sorry - "and I was at

    Benjamin's house with Sunlight and Mosquito. Mosquito too

    went to a different place, that was where he slept and

    early in the morning he came."

    And if we jump a few lines to line 12:

    "Q. Later you said, 'I was at Benjamin's house with

    Sunlight and Mosquito, Mosquito too went to a different

    place,' what do you mean? Was Mosquito with - was Mosquito

    with you or not?

    A. Well, Mosquito was just with us during the day because

    when we arrived at that night, we arrived late in the

    night and so we needed some rest and so everybody went to

    where he was to sleep. So early in the morning Mosquito

    came and met with Benjamin Yeaten and I gave him updates

    from the various front lines. And Mosquito, Benjamin

    Yeaten and one" - sorry - "Mosquito, Benjamin and one

    Rashid, they went out and they left me at Benjamin's house

    that morning. Rashid, Mosquito and Sellay - Rashid,

    Mosquito, Sellay and Benjamin Yeaten, there were four who

    went out that morning and they left me at Benjamin's house.

    Q. Now, you said you gave Sam Bockarie an update from the

    various front lines, is that correct?

    A. Yes.

    Q. How were you able to do that?

    A. Well, that was the purpose why I travelled with

    Mosquito to monitor the front lines and give him updates.

    When I arrived that very night, I contacted them and, in

    the morning, very early in the morning I went to radio

    room, that is Base 1. I even used the Base 1 radio to

    contact that morning, and I contacted the various front

    lines to get updates. Then I fed Mosquito with the

    information.

    Q. Who did you contact on the front lines?

    A. Almost all the front lines. I contacted Issa's

    station. I contacted the various stations, Superman and

    others. I contacted Eagle - I contacted Eagle's station.

    There were other stations that I contacted. I contacted

    many stations and I collected information from the various

    front lines."

    Let's pause. So, Mr Witness, Mr Fornie says they arrived in Monrovia, they arrived late at night, they were tired - or at least people needed some rest - that he, Mr Fornie, stayed at Benjamin's house with Sunlight, that Mosquito left to stay at a different place; in the morning Mosquito came and met him and Daf gave Mosquito updates from the various front lines, and then four persons left: Somebody named Rashid, Mosquito, Sellay and Benjamin; they left. Daf remained at Yeaten's house.

    Mr Witness, do you recall this type of an event: Daf arrives at night, stays at Benjamin Yeaten's house; in the morning he goes to the radio, he uses Base 1, the radio station there, contacts all of the RUF front lines, or several of them, including Superman's front line, Issa's station, and Eagle's station, and then he first debriefs Sam Bockarie about the information he obtained. Do you recall this happening?

  • No, and --

  • Yes. I do not recall such, and I would say it did not happen that way. And in early 1999, there was no radio at Benjamin Yeaten's house called Base 1, and in early 1999 I was not at Benjamin Yeaten's house.

  • Mr Witness, your responses are in relation to the year 1999. This witness was speaking about --

  • -- early 1998. What do you say about early 1998?

  • Sorry, when I said 1999. That is in early 1998. My assignment was at the Executive Mansion of Liberia in early 1998. There was no radio at Benjamin Yeaten's house called Sunlight in early 1998, there was no radio within the government radio communication's system called Base 1. And then I personally never saw Daf until in 1999 when he said, according to him, he was part of the RUF delegation to Togo, and it was upon his return that he called Sunlight and it was through that that I saw him. So what has been explained by him did not happen that way.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness.

  • And one more. Even when I took up assignment at Base 1, prior to the LURD attack in 1999, prior to LURD invasion in mid-1999, Sunlight never slept in Benjamin Yeaten's house by the radio at any point in time, so as to accommodate his friend or other operators to sleep with him there. Sunlight never slept there, as the witness said, that he and Sunlight spent the night in Yeaten's yard. I think I heard something like that - in Yeaten's house.

  • Well, let me ask you this: Is it possible that Daf spent the night at Benjamin Yeaten's house and then Sunlight would not know about it?

  • It's not possible. It's not possible. Besides that, spending the night at Benjamin Yeaten's yard - it's not possible that Daf, being a radio operator of the RUF, Sunlight had been dealing with him beginning late '98 and he would enter Benjamin Yeaten's house where Sunlight was present without him seeing him or knowing about it, it's not possible.

  • And you told us the persons who resided with Benjamin Yeaten in his house. Who were those persons again?

  • Those that lived in the house with Benjamin Yeaten were his three wives, and his five children. Those were the people who lived with Benjamin Yeaten in his house; his wife - his wives and children.

  • You had said previously two wives, if my memory serves me right. Did Yeaten have two or three wives?

  • I think I made that clear. Benjamin Yeaten - I said Benjamin Yeaten had two wives from the beginning. And later one was added to them. Maybe I have not gone into that yet. Later on in 2000 he had three. He had three wives and five children.

  • But as of 1998 how many wives did he have?

  • As of 1998, he had two wives.

  • And how many children did he have in 1998?

  • I don't know when the last one was born. Roughly he had up to three or four children in 1998.

  • Can I seek a clarification from the witness. Mr Witness, counsel asked you, "Is it possible that Daf spent the night at Benjamin Yeaten's house and Sunlight would not know about it? " And your answer was, "It's not possible because Sunlight had been dealing with Daf in the beginning of '98." Now my question to you is: Do you know who Daf is? Have you ever met Daf, in person? You, yourself, let alone Sunlight, but you, yourself, have you ever met Daf, Dauda Fornie?

  • I personally met Daf before once. But for - as a matter of correction, I never dealt with Daf in 1998. I think I heard something like that. I, personally, saw Daf once.

  • I didn't say that you dealt with him. I said Sunlight dealt with him. So would you recognise Daf if you saw him today?

  • No, because I met him during that time. We did not stay together for long. So if I see him today actually I don't think I would easily make him up.

  • You mean easily identify him?

  • To identify him - maybe I would recognise him, but I'm not too sure because it's taken a very long time.

  • Very well. Thank you.

  • Mr Witness, just to make the record clear. I'm looking at page 130 of the LiveNote transcript, my lines 6 through 10, using a 14 point font. There's a part that reads:

    "It's not possible. It's not possible. Besides that, spending the night at Benjamin Yeaten's house, it's not possible, Daf being a radio operator of the RUF, Sunlight had been dealing with him in the beginning of late 1998 and he would enter Benjamin Yeaten's house where Sunlight was present without him knowing."

    Now, Mr Witness, this part of the transcript that says, "Sunlight had been dealing with him in the beginning of late 1998", can you clarify that for us? What time frame did Sunlight begin to deal with Daf? When?

  • Sunlight started dealing with Daf after the death of Sellay.

  • What year was that?

  • Sellay died in '99. I heard of Sellay's death in 1999.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, continuing from the same page, page 21449, line 29, the question was posed to Dauda Fornie:

    "Q. Now, you said you went to Benjamin Yeaten's house.

    Where exactly was this house?

    A. It was one area in Monrovia town called Congo Town.

    That is at the back, that is behind Mr Taylor's place,

    where Mr Taylor was. They referred to the place as White

    Flower. That was where Benjamin Yeaten was."

    Let's pause for a second. Mr Witness, we looked at photographs two days ago of Benjamin Yeaten's house. Daf here refers to it as being the place behind Mr Taylor's place where Mr Taylor was, they referred to the place as White Flower. In early 1998, was Mr Taylor already residing at White Flower?

  • No.

  • When we looked at photographs of Benjamin Yeaten's house, was there a photograph of White Flower in front of Benjamin Yeaten's house?

  • No.

  • Thank you. At line 17 of that same page, question posed:

    "Q. So you said that when you got to the house then that -

    well, first of all, you also have referred to a occasion

    that you contacted the front lines from Base 1. Where was

    Base 1 located?

    A. Base 1 was at Benjamin's house. It was at Benjamin's

    house that Base 1 was. It was a radio station that was

    called Base 1.

    Q. And can you describe this radio station? Well, when

    you saw it, was this the first time you had seen it?

    A. That was the first time. It was a VHF radio set. It

    was in one of the rooms at Benjamin's Yeaten's backyard in

    Benjamin's compound. That was where it was. There was a

    radio set with stationery and the radio set was a Yaesu

    radio set."

    Mr Witness, you heard the reference to Base 1 being in "one of the rooms at Benjamin Yeaten's backyard. In Benjamin's compound. That was where it was." Was Base 1, to your knowledge, ever in Benjamin Yeaten's backyard?

  • No. And I - let me clarify another thing. During the time that I was there, with the exception of the little house, the small house where the radio Base 1 was later transferred, there was no house behind Benjamin Yeaten's house as referred to as a house in the fence - in Benjamin Yeaten's fence, besides the one that he was living in. There was no other house there at the time.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Continuing:

    "Q. Now, you said that Sam Bockarie, Jungle, Rashid and

    Benjamin Yeaten went off somewhere that day and you

    remained. Is that correct?"

    Over to the next page. Madam Court Manager, I wonder if this is being displayed.

  • Yes. Thank you.

  • Over to the next page:

    "A. Yes.

    Q. So when you say you remained, you remained where?

    A. I remained in the radio room at Benjamin's house.

    Q. Do you know where those four individuals went?

    A. Well, they told me that they were going to meet with

    the Papay directly. Master told me that - I mean,

    Mosquito. He told me that they were going to see the

    President. At that time it was Mr Taylor.

    Q. Now, you, yourself, you have also - who was in the

    radio room? Who was in Base 1? Who was there besides

    yourself?

    A. That morning, that particular morning, I was in the

    radio room with Sunlight. I was in the radio room with

    Sunlight that particular morning.

    Q. Was this the first time you met Sunlight?

    A. Yes, yes.

    Q. Do you know his real name?

    A. No."

    Mr Witness, two questions. We have Dauda Fornie telling the Court that Sam Bockarie, Jungle, Rashid and Benjamin - well, let me put it this way because the person who asked the question gave those names, Sam Bockarie, Rashid, Jungle and Benjamin. The four names that were mentioned before by Dauda Fornie were Sellay, Sam Bockarie, Rashid and Yeaten.

  • Uh-huh.

  • So the questioner has added Jungle to this list. So let's stay with the names that Dauda Fornie gave the Court: Rashid; Mosquito; Sellay and Benjamin. He was asked the question:

    "Q. Do you know where those four individuals went?

    A. Well, Mosquito told him that they were going to see the

    President, who was Charles Taylor."

    Now, did you ever hear of such an event occurring around the early part of 1998 where the radio operator named Sellay, Sam Bockarie, somebody named Rashid and Benjamin Yeaten went to see Charles Taylor?

  • I did not hear that.

  • You also listened to the reference made by Daf that he was in the radio room in the morning with Sunlight together. Do you know whether that ever happened that Sunlight and Daf met for the first time, not, as you tell us, much later when Sam Bockarie - sorry, much later after the Lome peace talks in 1999 --

  • Yes.

  • That they met earlier, as far back as 1998? Did you follow the question?

  • Yes. Do you know whether Sunlight and Daf had their first meeting in early 1998 as opposed to after the Lome peace talks in 1999?

  • No. Sunlight and Daf did not meet in early 1998.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Now, continuing at line 19:

    "Q. So you said that Sam Bockarie and the others left. How

    long were they gone for?

    A. They were out for almost the rest of the day. It was

    around 7 - 6 going to 7 - that Mosquito and others returned

    to the house at Benjamin Yeaten's.

    Q. What happened after they returned?

    A. From there, Mosquito told me to pack up and that we

    were to return to Sierra Leone.

    Q. Continue.

    A. From there Mosquito told me to pack up - to pack up my

    things and we were to return to Sierra Leone, so after I

    had completed packing, I went out and got into the vehicle

    and we left." We are now at page 21452. "On our way we

    met a truck loaded with ammunition and the other securities

    who were with Mosquito. All of them, I met them now on the

    way along the highway, on the outskirts of Monrovia, going

    towards - going towards - going towards Kakata - going

    towards Kakata.

    Q. So just to be clear, how many nights did you actually

    spend in Benjamin Yeaten's house?

    A. One. That was the night that we arrived, and the

    following day we left."

    Mr Witness, do you know anything of a truck loaded with ammunition that met Dauda Fornie and others as they were on the outskirts of Monrovia, going towards Kakata, this being the early part of 1998?

  • I don't know.

  • Did you hear of any such thing happening?

  • I didn't hear of that.

  • May we please go to the same day's transcript - well, I need to cover this. The same page we were at, page 21479, which is the next page. Yes. The next page, page 21479.

    I'm sorry, Madam Court Manager, it's not the next page. We were previously at 21452 and I wish to go to 21479. Thank you.

  • Question posed:

    "Q. Now, you also said that the station situated across

    Sam Bockarie's house was in communication with stations in

    Liberia. Do you recall saying that?

    A. Yes.

    Q. Describe what you mean by this.

    A. Well, that was the station that Sam Bockarie used to

    communicate with Benjamin Yeaten, because at the time we

    were now in Buedu, Sam Bockarie had a satellite phone. He

    had satellite phones anyway. The first satellite phone was

    from Johnny Paul, that was the one he took from Johnny

    Paul, and then later Mr Taylor sent - I mean, Mr Taylor

    gave him another satellite phone. Yes.

    Q. I'm specifically asking you about the radio station

    across from Sam Bockarie's house that you said was in

    communication with stations in Liberia. Which stations in

    Liberia was this radio station in communication with?

    A. The leading station was Base 1.

    Q. When you say 'leading station', what do you mean by

    that?

    A. It means there were other stations that we communicated

    with, but the most important amongst the stations that we

    always contacted was Base 1.

    Q. How often was the contact between Sam Bockarie's

    station and Base 1?

    A. Well, that sometimes depended on the nature of the

    security threats on the various front lines, or the

    developments at the various front lines. Sometimes for the

    whole day we will only have one communication with them.

    But sometimes when we were in full force or full offensive,

    we will communicate with them almost every day, sometimes

    on an hourly basis here, but there is actually no specific

    time duration that I can refer to to say whether it was

    either after every two days that we spoke with them or

    every three days or every hour. It all depended on the

    prevailing situation on the ground. So it was all based on

    that.

    Q. Why were you in communication with this station,

    Base 1? Why was Sam Bockarie's station in communication

    with this station, Base 1?

    A. Well, Base 1 was the station that coordinated

    communications between Sam Bockarie directly to Mr Taylor.

    It was not through Base 1. For example, if Benjamin

    Yeaten wanted to talk to Mosquito on the - but that

    Mosquito's satellite phone was not switched on, Benjamin

    would tell Sunlight to contact Bravo Zulu 4 to inform

    Mosquito to switch his satellite phone on. So in the

    inverse, Mosquito too would tell the operators at Bravo

    Zulu 4 to tell Benjamin Yeaten to call him on the sat

    phone so they would discuss whatever he wanted to tell him.

    Sometimes if Mosquito - sometimes when Mosquito does not

    travel to Monrovia for ammunition and if he decided to send

    someone else, he, Mosquito, will communicate with Mosquito

    throughout until he or she gets to Monrovia and returns to

    Buedu, so that was how the communication used to flow."

    Let's pause there. If we went on to the next page, we would see that the witness said he didn't mean to say that Mosquito would communicate with Mosquito. We will come to that, but, Mr Witness, you heard what I just read.

  • Yes.

  • This witness first says, in the previous page, that other stations were communicated with, that is, the people in the RUF station would communicate with other stations within Liberia but that Base 1 was the most important. Are you aware of Planet 1 or Bravo Zulu 4 having radio communication contact with any other Government of Liberia radio station during the time you were in Base 1, that is, besides Base 1?

  • Besides Base 1, I was not aware of Bravo Zulu 4 being in contact with any other Government of Liberia VHF communication.

  • How about the duration of contact between Planet 1 and Bravo Zulu 4? Planet 1/Bravo Zulu 4 and Base 1? Dauda Fornie said it depended on the prevailing situations, that there would be instances when they would communicate on an hourly basis. He says, "We would communicate with them almost every day, sometimes on an hourly basis."

    Now, was it the case when you were at Base 1 that there were occasions when every hour there would be communication from Planet 1/Bravo Zulu 4?

  • Base 1, no. There was no communication between Base 1 and Bravo Zulu 4 on an hourly basis or every hour.

  • Was there a logbook at Base 1 to keep track of this number of communications coming from Buedu? And if you had a logbook, how many did you keep over the course of the duration of contact with Buedu?

  • Mr Anyah, several questions in one. Please break it down.

  • Mr Witness, at Base 1, was there a logbook or logbooks that were used to record communication from Buedu, either Planet 1 or Bravo Zulu 4?

  • Given what Dauda Fornie has said to the Court, the frequency of communication, would it be possible for an operator at Base 1, in the absence of any kind of logbook, to take down information or remember information that came on an hourly basis from Buedu?

  • It's not possible.

  • How about Dew? Do you know whether Dew or Sunlight had personal notebooks that were used to record information that came from Buedu?

  • Yes. I know that Sunlight had a personal notebook in which he recorded information that he received from Buedu, for Benjamin Yeaten, so that he wouldn't forget. So whenever Buedu calls and tells Sunlight that, "Please inform the subject there that my subject wanted to get in touch with him on the other side," that is on the phone, when Ben was not around, Sunlight would record that so that he won't forget at the time Ben arrives home.

  • Mr Interpreter you said this: You said, "I had a personal note" - or, sorry, "Sunlight had a personal notebook in which he recorded information that he received from Buedu, from Benjamin Yeaten, so that he wouldn't forget." Was Benjamin Yeaten in Buedu? Mr Interpreter, is that what the witness said?

  • Your Honour, that's what I heard from the witness. I just repeated exactly what he was saying.

  • Mr Witness, this sentence that appears on the record, "Sunlight had a personal notebook in which he recorded information that he received from Buedu, from Benjamin Yeaten," can you clarify that statement for us ?

  • I said Sunlight had a personal notebook in which he would record information or communication.

  • Your Honours, can he repeat it again? He's still repeating the same thing.

  • Sorry. Sorry. Pause. Tell us again about the information that was recorded in Sunlight's personal notebook. What kind of information was this?

  • That is when Buedu contacts Base 1 and tells Sunlight that the subject, "My subject wanted to get in touch with your subject on the telephone," and when Sunlight receives this information in the absence of Benjamin Yeaten at his house, he would record this communication in his personal notebook so that he will not forget when Benjamin Yeaten returns home.

  • For whom did Sunlight record the information?

  • Sunlight was recording this information for - to remind himself so that he would deliver the message to Benjamin Yeaten.

  • During the time period when you were in Base 1, how many notebooks in total did Sunlight have?

  • He had just one personal notebook with him.

  • And what was the size of that notebook? If you could give us an indication with your hand, your fingers, how big was this notebook?

  • It was in a square form of this size. It was not big, but squared.

  • And how high was it, if --

  • As wide as this, and this divided into two.

  • Yes. How thick was the notebook?

  • It was not that thick. I don't think it had more than a hundred sheets.

  • Thank you. Now, continuing from the transcript. Mr Witness, at that page I read, page 21480, Mr Fornie told the Court that Base 1 was the station that coordinated communications between Sam Bockarie directly to Mr Taylor. Do you recall Base 1 serving such a function, that is, as coordinator of communications between Sam Bockarie directly with Mr Taylor?

  • Base 1 was never coordinating communication between Sam Bockarie and Mr Taylor.

  • Thank you. May we please go to page 21483 of 2 December 2008. Thank you, Madam Court Manager. Starting at line 4, the question was posed to Mr Fornie:

    "Q. What was Sunlight's role exactly?

    A. The role that we knew Sunlight for was that he was

    Benjamin Yeaten's radio operator and he was assigned at his

    house in Monrovia at the back of White Flower. Sunlight

    was the operator who received messages from Bravo Zulu 4,

    that was from Mosquito's station directly, and then

    Sunlight would pass on the message to Benjamin Yeaten, and

    Benjamin Yeaten, in turn, will tell him --

    Q. Continue.

    A. -- tell him most times that he should tell him to tell

    Bravo Zulu 4 to be on stand by. He said he will get on to

    them. And that is according to Benjamin Yeaten, he would

    have to go and consult with zero-four-seven, and then at

    any time Benjamin Yeaten would have resolved with

    zero-four-seven he will come back and then give the message

    to Sunlight. He will tell him that, 'this is the response

    to Mosquito', and then Sunlight, in turn, will send the

    message through Bravo Zulu 4 to Mosquito.

    Q. Mr Witness, I notice you are starting to use some call

    signs. What do you mean when you say zero-four-seven?"

    Now listen to this now, Mr Witness:

    "A. Zero-four-seven was Mr Taylor. That was one of his

    code names - one of the code names that he used anyway.

    That was Mr Taylor's code name, one of it."

    Mr Witness, did Charles Taylor ever use the code name zero-four-seven, as far as you can remember, during radio communications?

  • No.

  • I am now speaking of at any time during your membership of the NPFL and when you joined President Taylor's administration; to your knowledge, did he ever use the code name, or was he ever referred to by that code name, zero-four-seven on the radio?

  • Not to my knowledge. To my knowledge, President Taylor was not referred to as zero-four-seven on the radio by any NPFL radio operators, or in the government by any government radio operator. We never had that code in our coding system for him.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. If we go to the next page, and, ending at 84, starting at line number 5, the question is posed to Mr Fornie:

    "Q. The time I've asked you about prior to this was your

    time based in Buedu from early '98 until April '99, about

    how often would you hear Sunlight's voice during that time

    - how frequently, I should say?"

    Now, Mr Witness, you're listening to the time period:

    "Well, early '98 until April '99".

    You are following me?

  • Yes, I'm following.

  • Answer by Dauda Fornie:

    "A. It was frequent anyway. Almost at any time I went

    down to the station, at the transmitting station. Any time

    I went there I used to overhear him contact Mosquito's

    station or that Mosquito's station would contact him. That

    besides, I too used to contact him directly. Like you

    asked what I meant about most time - most often. I said

    earlier that it all depended on the prevailing circumstance

    at the particular time. For instance, if we had launched

    an offensive operation, and if it was undergoing - and if

    it was ongoing, the contact would be frequent and often.

    And also if we were under attack from the ECOMOG forces,

    the communication would flow frequently.

    Q. Can you recognise his voice, Sunlight's voice?

    A. Yes."

    Mr Witness, let's pause there. Dauda Fornie said from early 1998 until April 1999 that he would hear Sunlight's voice frequently. That sometimes Mosquito's station would contact Sunlight and, besides that, he, himself, Dauda Fornie, used to contact Sunlight directly. And that the communication would flow frequently, for example, if they were under attack from the ECOMOG forces.

    Now, are you aware of Dauda Fornie contacting Sunlight frequently during this, over a year's period of time, Early 1998 to April 1999?

  • I am not aware of that. And again, from early 1998 to late 1998, that is, from January 1998 - between January 1998 and September 1998, Sunlight was not in contact with any RUF station.

  • You notice that Dauda Fornie says that he was based in Buedu during that period of time and, if this testimony's true, then it means that Sunlight, even before Sunlight was at Base 1, was already in communication with Buedu.

    Now, Mr Witness, Mosquito's station, the reference here to it, to your knowledge, did that station begin communicating with Sunlight in the early part of 1998?

  • No. In the early part of 1998 Sunlight was not in contact with Mosquito's station and, in the early part of 1998, Mosquito's station was not in contact with Sunlight.

  • Thank you. If we continue on that page, the last line, there is a question posed to Mr Fornie:

    "Q. Who, if anyone, do you know as Benjamin Yeaten's

    commander?"

    Over to the next page:

    "A. Benjamin Yeaten's commander that I knew was his

    leader, I can say our leader, our former leader, Mr Taylor,

    and he was a CIC. He was Benjamin Yeaten's commander.

    Q. Why do you refer to Mr Taylor as 'our former leader'?

    A. Well, now, the RUF is now a defunct organisation, it is

    no longer existing. We do not have any movement any more

    referred to as the RUF. It has been completely disbanded.

    The reason why I referred to him as 'our former leader' is

    that because most often he was the one that Mosquito

    consulted with for strategic actions that he wanted to take

    - that Mosquito wanted to take - and he used to report to

    him directly. Mosquito used to report to him directly -

    either directly, or indirectly sometimes - and then really

    those are some of my reasons why I said so. Even before

    Issa also took over, he, Mosquito, used to report to

    Mr Taylor directly.

    Q. How do you know that?

    A. I was a contact person that liaised the communication

    between them. And then I had travelled with Mosquito to

    Monrovia and he had moved with some gemstones that he spoke

    about, although he did not show me them directly, but he

    said he handed them over to Mr Taylor. And, that besides,

    Mosquito - I said Issa - no, Mosquito, consulted Mr Taylor

    about certain things that he wanted to do, because for

    Mosquito to even accept a ceasefire, because there was a

    point in time when Foday Sankoh called from Freetown and

    talked about the ceasefire, he consulted with him before

    he accepted the ceasefire; that is, Mosquito consulted

    with him before he accepted the ceasefire."

    Over to the next page:

    "Q. Consulted with who?"

    Over to the next page, page 21486:

    "A. Yes, that is after Foday Sankoh has spoken with

    Mosquito and before Mosquito accepted the ceasefire that

    Foday Sankoh had said we should do - he first consulted

    with Benjamin Yeaten to get Charles Taylor's advice before

    he accepted, before he agreed with the ceasefire. And

    even when Mosquito and Foday Sankoh still continued the

    discussion on that ceasefire, there was a time that

    Sunlight intercepted a conversation when Foday Sankoh was

    speaking directly with Mosquito, but Sunlight did not know

    that it was Foday Sankoh who was talking. He thought

    Mosquito was just speaking to another commander, just like

    that, or any other person. So when Sunlight contacted

    Mosquito, still tried to convince him."

    Let's pause. Mr Witness, you've heard what I just read?

  • Yes, I heard it.

  • Dauda Fornie told the Court a number of things here. One, Dauda Fornie said that that Benjamin Yeaten's commander was Mr Taylor. Dauda Fornie went on to refer to Mr Taylor as "our former leader", that is the former leader of the RUF, and he gave his reasons why he said that. Did you ever know Mr Taylor to be the former leader of the RUF?

  • Did you ever know Mr Taylor at any point in time to be the CIC or leader of the RUF?

  • I don't know and I never heard that.

  • Dauda Fornie said that he was a contact person that liaised communication between Mosquito and Mr Taylor directly.

  • Yes. Listen to the interpretation. Dauda Fornie said that he, Dauda Fornie, was the person that liaised, that is a liaison person, he liaised the communication between Mosquito and Mr Taylor directly.

  • Well, he went on to say that Sam Bockarie would first consult with Benjamin Yeaten to get Charles Taylor's advice before, for example, Sam Bockarie accepted a ceasefire. Now, were there ever communications from Buedu to Base 1 asking Benjamin Yeaten to consult with Charles Taylor so that the RUF would know whether or not they should accept the ceasefire?

  • No. And there was no communication at any point or at any time where Sam Bockarie ever discussed matters of ceasefire with Benjamin Yeaten or really a message to any operator to give to Benjamin Yeaten in respect of agreeing to a ceasefire or not.

  • And you recall telling us, either yesterday or the day before, of how Sunlight intercepted a communication right before Sam Bockarie moved to Monrovia, that was on the radio between Foday Sankoh and Sam Bockarie. You remember telling us about that?

  • Now, listen to what Dauda Fornie says and tell me if you know anything about this. Dauda Fornie said, "And even when Mosquito and Foday Sankoh still continued the discussion on that ceasefire, there was a time that Sunlight intercepted a communication, a conversation, when Foday Sankoh was speaking directly to Mosquito. But Sunlight did not know that it was Foday Sankoh who was talking. He thought Mosquito was just speaking to any other commander, just like that, or any other person."

    Mr Witness, what Dauda Fornie is describing to the Court, have you experienced this event, that is, by hearing what Sunlight said he intercepted?

  • Okay. I am aware that Sunlight intercepted communication between Sam Bockarie and Foday Sankoh, but the topic under discussion - that they discussed that Sunlight monitored was not in relation to ceasefire. Sunlight monitored Sankoh and Sam Bockarie when they were talking about - when Sankoh was saying he wanted Sam Bockarie to move to Freetown and Sam Bockarie refused to go and said it was better for Sankoh and the RUF that he, Sam Bockarie, stays in Buedu while they are there because the Government of Sierra Leone was looking for Sankoh - for Foday Sankoh and Sam Bockarie himself. So if the two of them stayed or lived together in Freetown, they would be apprehended and that would be the end. This was the issue that Sam Bockarie - I mean, Sunlight monitored, and Sunlight also monitored from Sankoh that it was Allah who instructed him to bring war to Sierra Leone, and it was this Allah who had instructed him to stop the war. So if he went against his will, that is, if Sam Bockarie went against his will, he will not succeed. But that Sunlight - but furthermore, during this interception by Sunlight, Sunlight never interrupted their communication. Sunlight never interrupted their communication to call any station. What he did was that he sat by and listened.

  • Mr Witness, there is a part of the record that reads, and we were following you, that reads that "Foday Sankoh said something to the effect that it was Allah who had instructed him to stop the war." Is that what you said?

  • I said Foday Sankoh said to Sam Bockarie that it was Allah, and I quoted him, "It is Allah who instructed me to bring war to Sierra Leone, and it is Allah who has told me to stop this war." This is what I heard - this is what Sunlight heard.

  • I heard you the first time. I just asked you because the record said something to the effect of "stop the war" but you've clarified that. Next sentence there says, "So if he went against his will, that is, if Sam Bockarie went against his will, he will not succeed."

  • Yes.

  • If Sam Bockarie went against whose will?

  • If Sam Bockarie went against Sankoh's will, because he said, "If you go against my will."

  • Thank you, Mr Witness. Apart from this radio communication between Sam Bockarie and Foday Sankoh, did Sunlight ever monitor Sam Bockarie and Foday Sankoh on the radio speaking together?

  • This was the one and only communication that Sunlight intercepted between Sam Bockarie and Foday Sankoh.

  • Thank you, Mr Witness.

  • In December 1999.

  • Shall we go to page 21492 of the same day's transcript, 24192. Starting at the bottom of the page, line 29, there's a question asked of Mr Fornie:

    "Q. Now, Mr Witness, you've been describing the

    communications between Sam Bockarie's control station and

    Base 1. Who had the authority to communicate to Base 1?

    A. Well, within the RUF, it was not everybody who had the

    authority to just go on the Liberian net and call. Some

    operators had the authority. It was not every substation

    that had that authority. So some stations had the

    authority to communicate directly to the Liberian side.

    Q. Specifically at Base 1?

    A. Yes, like Base 1, the late Sellay had that authority.

    Nya too had that authority. Alfred Brown had that

    authority. I had that authority."

    Madam President, I see the time. Do I have a minute to conclude this?

  • It's actually past 4.30, according to the clock.

  • Yes. I think we'll close for today and reconvene tomorrow at 9 o'clock.

    Now, Mr Witness, as usual, you are not to discuss your evidence. Court adjourns to tomorrow.

  • [Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 4.31 p.m. to be reconvened on Thursday, 2 August 2010 at 9.00 a.m.]