The transcripts of the trial of Charles Taylor, former President of Liberia.
Thank you, my Lord.
I trained Sam Bockarie, Issa Sesay and others. They were the Vanguards.
Sam Bockarie used to call me Big Brother because I'm older than him and I was the one who trained them, so he used to call me Big Brother.
Well, it was something that used to happen in the NPFL and even before it came over to the RUF.
Yes, my Lord.
If you stole diamonds at that time they will kill you and they disciplined somebody at the time whom they said lost diamonds, so they beat him up to the point of death.
Well the radio operator who was there was the person who came and called me and then later called the commanders and he said that Mr Taylor sent a message that they should release me, and then they took me to the radio room and explained to me and they ...
Yes, I was in jail.
Yes, they detained me in Liberia.
Yes, my Lord, I had made a confession in church. I gave a testimony in church.
Yes, my Lord.
They had not entered Freetown. They were in Waterloo and it was there that I was supposed to meet them with reinforcements so that we enter.
At that time it was in January when I had attacked Joru and I was there for three days and it was after that that I received that order to go towards Kailahun area so that I will get some people to go towards the Kono area and it was ...
Yes, my Lord. I was to attack Joru and then go to Zimmi and from there I would have had reinforcement that should come from Liberia for me to go to Freetown.
It was because the RUF and the NPFL were brothers, so if I heard something like that going on I deemed it necessary to explain such a plan to Mr Joe Tuah, so that they would be aware.
I knew him the time I was with the NPFL. He was the artillery commander for the NPFL.
Yes, that was what Sam Bockarie came and told us, my Lord.
No, I was not under any pressure, my Lord.
I said that.
They did not press me. It was not a press.
They did not press me to lie and I don't think I felt that way.
I don't agree, my Lord.
They did not press me to lie during that interview, my Lord.
Well, I only knew that I was supposed to talk what I knew about my involvement in the two sides and the belief that I knew more, so they wanted me to be bold to come up with them. So that was the way I understood it. But it was ...
It is not a sort of a heart shake. It's not that I had a shaky heart for what the man said.
It was not because of that. It was not because of that at all. To say that I went to lie to them because they needed more information so I went there to lie, so that I give them false information concerning Mr Taylor, no.
Maybe it was not something that I had not given to them before, but maybe they wanted me to add to what I had given them before.
Yes, he told me.
What did you say? Ask your question again.
They had known, but suppose I had come and if I was called by somebody, I come, they ask me if I am one of the high command and then I said no. How would you have believed that? Except when I come myself, then you ask me your question ...
I can't know that now, but I have told you that they said that I was one of the RUF high command and then I also came to them and confirmed to them that yes. They asked me whether I was one of the RUF high command. I said ...
Well, that was not the information they said they had from me.
Yes, I have not denied that I told them that. Even before that they had got information that I was part of the high command of the RUF and I did confirm to them that yes.
I only know that they had information that I was part of the high command and that I was somebody who had been with the NPFL before and the RUF, so I should be able to give some information concerning the two parts.
Well, I think the information they had, they knew it best.
They had information.
Yes, they told me they have heard some information concerning me, so that was why they called me to explain as part of the high command.
I don't think somebody asked me that and I did not go to the Court at any point in time with regards the RUF case.
I don't think I took part in the RUF prosecution that I can recall.
Yes, as you are explaining now I recall, yes.
I had gone there.
Well, that was how I felt about it, that was how I took it.
Well, maybe my thoughts did not go to that. Maybe I did not think about that.
Maybe he said it but I forgot. I am not disagreeing with the fact that he said it, but I am saying that maybe I forgot.
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